New Zealand Doesn't Hesitate to Ban Automatic Weapons

[Dan From Smithville]

This is an excellent resource:
ATF Home Page | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

I really need to look into getting a job with that group. They have all the things I like. Well, tea maybe instead of Tobacco.

I did my graduate work at the University of Missouri in Columbia. There was place along the way to the university from my apartment called Liquor, Guns and Ammo. I wonder if they were affiliated.

 

[oldbadger]

The numbers mean nothing unless broken down.

Your stupid face palm means even less.

No Audie, The numbers mean an unstable and insecure situation......... numbers which you clearly 'shan't see, won't look at'.

That's why my is so real.

I'm not sure that you really care about the daily shootings and frequent mass shootings. I'm not sure how much you care about the suicides and suicide risks....?

In any case........ you must carry on as you are, because you're stuck with your guns for good an' all, it seems.

 

[oldbadger]

In the years after my 3 years in the army, I liked shooting and had my marksman qualification. Also lived remote and many people liked ferral pig eradication, thus I joined in.

Now Im sad if a run over a snake with the lawn mower. It is amazing how much we can change.

Regards Tony

I gained my marksman qualification when a cadet at a semi-military school, in full and small bores.

I was a salt-marsh wildfowler from 13-21 years of age.

I exchanged my guns for the camera and nature-scope many years ago. And yes, we sure can change.

 

[oldbadger]

Ever notice the people claiming "if you ban semi-automatic weapons, people will commit mass murder with baseball bats" never seem to think a baseball bat would be adequate for self defence?

Lovely para....... lovely.

Worth remembering.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Thank God we don't have that nonsense here...

We say the same about the American constitution
There seems nothing to recommend it.

 

[Curious George]

Rights come from the government. Something that the writers of the Constitution realized. That was why a Bill of Rights was added to it. One could say: "Yes, off yourself anyway that you can afford".

One can claim to have a right, but without government support that claim is toothless.

This is not true regarding what the wroters of the constitution thought about rights.

 

[Curious George]

Not sure why suicide was discussed. I am pretty sure the banning of semi-automatic rifles will have no effect on the suicide rate.

 

[Subduction Zone]

This is not true regarding what the wroters of the constitution thought about rights.

Can you support that claim?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not sure why suicide was discussed. I am pretty sure the banning of semi-automatic rifles will have no effect on the suicide rate.

Off the top of my head I do believe that about two thirds of gun deaths are due to suicide.

Yep, I remembered correctly:

Suicides account for most gun deaths

 

[BSM1]

Rights come from the government. Something that the writers of the Constitution realized. That was why a Bill of Rights was added to it. One could say: "Yes, off yourself anyway that you can afford".

One can claim to have a right, but without government support that claim is toothless.

Uhhh...you might want to go back and re-read the Bill of Rights. The framers of the Constitution never said rights come from governments, they said the rights were 'unalienable' and 'God given'. The minute you believe your rights come from a government that's the minute you've just become a slave to that government.

 

[BSM1]

Like I said...patronizing.
Unless you're harking back to WW2, when have they hidden behind US petticoats?
And they supported enough military ventures post WW2 to have paid off that 'debt'...though, again, US interests happened to coincide with ANZAC interests.

Uhhh...let's see...how many aircraft carriers does NZ have deployed all over the world? How many NZ bases with NZ troops are there guarding the peace in other countries? How much of their own treasure has NZ put into defensive weapons that could possibly deter aggressive countries from squeezing their kiwis? Hmmm...if it wasn't for the United
States military this world would be a bigger mess than you could imagine. And you're welcome.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Uhhh...let's see...how many aircraft carriers does NZ have deployed all over the world? How many NZ bases with NZ troops are there guarding the peace in other countries? How much of their own treasure has NZ put into defensive weapons that could possibly deter aggressive countries from squeezing their kiwis? Hmmm...if it wasn't for the United
States military this world would be a bigger mess than you could imagine. And you're welcome.

Could you be any more patronizing?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Uhhh...you might want to go back and re-read the Bill of Rights. The framers of the Constitution never said rights come from governments, they said the rights were 'unalienable' and 'God given'. The minute you believe your rights come from a government that's the minute you've just become a slave to that government.

You may be conflating the Declaration of Independence which does make that mistake, with the Constitution. But feel free to quote the Constitution and prove me wrong.

 

[BSM1]

Could you be any more patronizing?

Not really sure what you mean (truth hurts, maybe?), but I can try.

 

[BSM1]

You may be conflating the Declaration of Independence which does make that mistake, with the Constitution. But feel free to quote the Constitution and prove me wrong.

The Constitution, if you'll step back and take a good look, limits the government, not you. It was set up this way on purpose.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Constitution, if you'll step back and take a good look, limits the government, not you. It was set up this way on purpose.

Go ahead, quote it. You said that "unalienable rights" was in the Constitution . And yes, I know the Bill of Rights limits the government. You don't seem to understand that it was the "government" that limited itself. We needed the Bill of Rights because rights do come from the government .

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Not really sure what you mean (truth hurts, maybe?), but I can try.

Truth? Phht.
I'm happy to actually go through this if you like, though. Name a defence decision post WW2 made by the US designed to assist NZ.

 

[Curious George]

Can you support that claim?

Yes. But can you support yours? Since you made the claim we can hear your argument first.

 

[Curious George]

Off the top of my head I do believe that about two thirds of gun deaths are due to suicide.

Yep, I remembered correctly:

Suicides account for most gun deaths

Please let me know how many are from semi-auto rifles.

 

[Curious George]

Go ahead, quote it. You said that "unalienable rights" was in the Constitution . And yes, I know the Bill of Rights limits the government. You don't seem to understand that it was the "government" that limited itself. We needed the Bill of Rights because rights do come from the government .

This is incorrect. We need the bill of rights because a government can infringe upon rights. These rights were not thought to be granted by government. These rights were thought to be natural rights. This philosophy is very much embedded in the language of the constitution. There is not even a question regarding this. Certainly a government does grant some rights. Those are civil rights.