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new study: 1 in 5 have near-death experience

beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
I don't know if this is the best place for this...

According to a new study, one person in five who experience cardiac arrest and are revived report experiences of what is commonly called 'near death experiences'

The study connected patients undergoing cardiac arrest to EEG machines and recorded brain activity during and after recovery. The results showed that the patients continued to have brain activity even while "dead."

Lucid Dying: Patients Recall Death Experiences During CPR - Neuroscience News

from the article:

Summary: 1 in 5 people who receive CPR report lucid experiences of death while they are seemingly unconscious and on the brink of death. The lucid experiences appear to be different from hallucinations, dreams, illusions, and delusions. Researchers found during these experiences the brain has heightened activity and markers for lucidity, suggesting the human sense of self, like other biological functions, may not completely stop around the time of death.

Source: NYU Langone

One in five people who survive cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) after cardiac arrest may describe lucid experiences of death that occurred while they were seemingly unconscious and on the brink of death, a new study shows.

Led by researchers at NYU Grossman School of Medicine and elsewhere, the study involved 567 men and women whose hearts stopped beating while hospitalized and who received CPR between May 2017 and March 2020 in the United States and United Kingdom. Despite immediate treatment, fewer than 10% recovered sufficiently to be discharged from hospital.

Survivors reported having unique lucid experiences, including a perception of separation from the body, observing events without pain or distress, and a meaningful evaluation of life, including of their actions, intentions and thoughts toward others. The researchers found these experiences of death to be different from hallucinations, delusions, illusions, dreams or CPR-induced consciousness.

The work also included tests for hidden brain activity. A key finding was the discovery of spikes of brain activity, including so-called gamma, delta, theta, alpha and beta waves up to an hour into CPR. Some of these brain waves normally occur when people are conscious and performing higher mental functions, including thinking, memory retrieval, and conscious perception.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
I don't know if this is the best place for this...

According to a new study, one person in five who experience cardiac arrest and are revived report experiences of what is commonly called 'near death experiences'

The study connected patients undergoing cardiac arrest to EEG machines and recorded brain activity during and after recovery. The results showed that the patients continued to have brain activity even while "dead."

Lucid Dying: Patients Recall Death Experiences During CPR - Neuroscience News

from the article:

Summary: 1 in 5 people who receive CPR report lucid experiences of death while they are seemingly unconscious and on the brink of death. The lucid experiences appear to be different from hallucinations, dreams, illusions, and delusions. Researchers found during these experiences the brain has heightened activity and markers for lucidity, suggesting the human sense of self, like other biological functions, may not completely stop around the time of death.

Source: NYU Langone

One in five people who survive cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) after cardiac arrest may describe lucid experiences of death that occurred while they were seemingly unconscious and on the brink of death, a new study shows.

Led by researchers at NYU Grossman School of Medicine and elsewhere, the study involved 567 men and women whose hearts stopped beating while hospitalized and who received CPR between May 2017 and March 2020 in the United States and United Kingdom. Despite immediate treatment, fewer than 10% recovered sufficiently to be discharged from hospital.

Survivors reported having unique lucid experiences, including a perception of separation from the body, observing events without pain or distress, and a meaningful evaluation of life, including of their actions, intentions and thoughts toward others. The researchers found these experiences of death to be different from hallucinations, delusions, illusions, dreams or CPR-induced consciousness.

The work also included tests for hidden brain activity. A key finding was the discovery of spikes of brain activity, including so-called gamma, delta, theta, alpha and beta waves up to an hour into CPR. Some of these brain waves normally occur when people are conscious and performing higher mental functions, including thinking, memory retrieval, and conscious perception.

Shouldn't the headline be "4 out of 5 report no near death experience"?

How do you explain that?
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Studies show that 100% will have a full death experience.

Except for the hydrozoan Turritopsis dohrnii, an animal about 4.5 millimetres wide and tall (likely making it smaller than the nail on your little finger), can actually reverse its life cycle. It has been dubbed the immortal jellyfish.
 

MikeF

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I don't know if this is the best place for this...

According to a new study, one person in five who experience cardiac arrest and are revived report experiences of what is commonly called 'near death experiences'

The study connected patients undergoing cardiac arrest to EEG machines and recorded brain activity during and after recovery. The results showed that the patients continued to have brain activity even while "dead."

Lucid Dying: Patients Recall Death Experiences During CPR - Neuroscience News

from the article:

Summary: 1 in 5 people who receive CPR report lucid experiences of death while they are seemingly unconscious and on the brink of death. The lucid experiences appear to be different from hallucinations, dreams, illusions, and delusions. Researchers found during these experiences the brain has heightened activity and markers for lucidity, suggesting the human sense of self, like other biological functions, may not completely stop around the time of death.

Source: NYU Langone

One in five people who survive cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) after cardiac arrest may describe lucid experiences of death that occurred while they were seemingly unconscious and on the brink of death, a new study shows.

Led by researchers at NYU Grossman School of Medicine and elsewhere, the study involved 567 men and women whose hearts stopped beating while hospitalized and who received CPR between May 2017 and March 2020 in the United States and United Kingdom. Despite immediate treatment, fewer than 10% recovered sufficiently to be discharged from hospital.

Survivors reported having unique lucid experiences, including a perception of separation from the body, observing events without pain or distress, and a meaningful evaluation of life, including of their actions, intentions and thoughts toward others. The researchers found these experiences of death to be different from hallucinations, delusions, illusions, dreams or CPR-induced consciousness.

The work also included tests for hidden brain activity. A key finding was the discovery of spikes of brain activity, including so-called gamma, delta, theta, alpha and beta waves up to an hour into CPR. Some of these brain waves normally occur when people are conscious and performing higher mental functions, including thinking, memory retrieval, and conscious perception.

I'm fascinated as to how they got all the brain monitoring equipment set up before someone at the hospital went into cardiac arrest. Well, unless they stopped their hearts on purpose, I suppose.

I would also be curious as to whether they asked patients about there religious and cultural attitudes towards death and ideas of an afterlife for all patients and see if there were any correlation with certain beliefs and the reporting of lucid dying.
 

beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
I'm fascinated as to how they got all the brain monitoring equipment set up before someone at the hospital went into cardiac arrest. Well, unless they stopped their hearts on purpose, I suppose.

I would also be curious as to whether they asked patients about there religious and cultural attitudes towards death and ideas of an afterlife for all patients and see if there were any correlation with certain beliefs and the reporting of lucid dying.
I would think they would have to get informed consent prior to hooking people up...I didn't track down the actual published study, will leave that for tomorrow. I would guess that there were a number of technical issues involved...cardiac paddles I would think would fry electrodes on the skull, for example...

I guess the upshot, if valid, is that brain activity can and does continue, and if so, a person may remember their 'experience' of that activity. So that does support the supposition that it's traces of the brain 'shutting down' or at least under extreme stress.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Me? I don't. I kinda expect that people will discuss and suggest possible solutions...which is why I posted the quotation and link, so people might discuss it...
When I said "you" I didn't mean you specifically. I meant how can this be explained. Open question to the forum.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I'm fascinated as to how they got all the brain monitoring equipment set up before someone at the hospital went into cardiac arrest. Well, unless they stopped their hearts on purpose, I suppose.

I would also be curious as to whether they asked patients about there religious and cultural attitudes towards death and ideas of an afterlife for all patients and see if there were any correlation with certain beliefs and the reporting of lucid dying.

It appears that this was a study of lengthy CPR sessions so some hardware could easily have been hooked up when CPR started.

As to background: I'm curious as well.
 

MikeF

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I would think they would have to get informed consent prior to hooking people up...I didn't track down the actual published study, will leave that for tomorrow. I would guess that there were a number of technical issues involved...cardiac paddles I would think would fry electrodes on the skull, for example...

I guess the upshot, if valid, is that brain activity can and does continue, and if so, a person may remember their 'experience' of that activity. So that does support the supposition that it's traces of the brain 'shutting down' or at least under extreme stress.

I was also curious about informed consent. How was it presented to the patient? Were the patients told that the investigators were trying to capture data related to near death experiences? If so, does that influence patients attitude to whatever they experience?

As you suggest, reading the actual study would allow for a better assessment of the reported results and what they may mean.
 

beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
When I said "you" I didn't mean you specifically. I meant how can this be explained. Open question to the forum.
Okay.

Human experience is varied and not everyone reports the same experiences from the same or similar set of circumstances. If the reported numbers are valid, the prevalence would suggest to me that there are common physical causes of experience of near-death stress experience--that brain activity may continue during the event, even after the heart stops, and because they are revived, some may recall that.
 
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