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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by questfortruth, Jan 16, 2022.

  1. questfortruth

    questfortruth Well-Known Member

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    I want to find a person who would sincerely admire my thoughts. If such a person cannot be found, then one should not look for it, and even run from it. And then, the almighty Jesus will make a miracle. How often you feel perfect connection, while communication?

    Consider an area of knowledge, for example, General Relativity. If you know everything about this theory, then you will also know that someone knows everything about this theory. Therefore, there must be a God. He knows everything about everything.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/356587583_RIEMANN_HYPOTHESIS_AND_BASIS_OF_KNOWLEDGE
     
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    I certainly admire your persistence...
     
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    questfortruth Well-Known Member

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    I want to find a person who would sincerely admire my thoughts. If such a person cannot be found, then one should not look for it, and even run from it. And then, the almighty Jesus will make a miracle.
     
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    How often you feel perfect connection, while communication?
     
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    Not so often, but sometimes.
     
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    depends on who Im communicating to and what we talking about and what kind of connection Im looking for. Ive never felt romantic connection with anyone but Ive felt some strong platonic connections
     
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    I find in some cases then God chooses Not to know everything....
    For example: God does Not know the un-known number of the great crowd of people found at Revelation 7:9.
    Because God gifted all with free-willed choices, then the number is not a known number as to the number of people who will come through the great tribulation of Revelation 7:14.

    I would say God knows everything about the vast material Universe with its billions of galaxies.
    Since even close galaxies, clusters of galaxies, are organized then to me that implies an Organizer.
    I suppose then one could say God is Not only Creator but Organizer.- Revelation 4:11
     
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    Second(or 3-rd ?) Law of Aristotle's Logic: statement A and its opposite non-A can not be true in the same relation.
    Fact B.
    1. God knows B, because God knows all.
    2. God "does not know" B, because God does not want to know it.

    Statements 1 and 2 are not in contradiction, because each statement has according reasoning.
     
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    Those two statements cannot be true at the same time. The clauses are irrelevant. The laws a logic don't care why it's the case.
     
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    Phone your mother...;)
     
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    o_ONo sorry, your rationale escapes me?:confused:
     
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    Except one could replace god in those propositions with the Wizard of Oz, and they'd lose nor gain anything. If you think they're evidencing a deity, then you need to search for the definition of a begging the question fallacy.

    Maybe you could stop making unevidenced assertions about a deity and its nature for a moment, and demonstrate some objective evidence that any deity exists?
     
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    It would be a lot easier to admire your thoughts if you'd stop claiming to have 'proof' for things when you clearly don't even know what proof is. You made 3 completely unsubstantiated claims and pretend like you've provided 'proof' for something. It's not how proof works.

    If you know everything about this theory, then you will also know that someone knows everything about this theory.

    Not necessarily true. If I come up with a completely new aspect to the theory that no one else has ever conceived of that means that there is no one else who currently knows what I know.

    Therefore, there must be a God.

    Not even close to a valid statement. You haven't even defined what this god you claim must be is, let along that it must exist.

    He knows everything about everything.

    Yet another unsubstantiated claim. Just because you write the words doesn't make them true. You have to provide actual evidence for your claims.
     
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    'objective ' also makes me also think of objects, and to me the vastness of the universe as a whole is: evidence.
    Evidence with its billions of galaxies. Some galaxies in clusters, close proximity to each other, yet stay organized.
    Organized then leads that there is an Organizer. Order = Organizer.

    Organized matter from energy. Enough dynamic energy to transfer energy into matter or mass.
    That significant and extensive amount of energy is how things are made; such things are built.
    Enough energy exerted with enough speed to make a transformation.
    In the Bible, the Source of that abundantly needed dynamic energy is God according to Isaiah 40:26; Jeremiah 10:12
    Thus, the Bible identifies the God of the Bible as both Creator and Organizer.
     
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    the non-contradictory law of Aristotle's logic "a statement and its opposite cannot be both true in the same relation'' can never be violated in mathematics, as any statement has its reasoning and the anti-statement has its reasoning. Hence, they do not hold in the same relation. They are related to different reasons. For example, if you are a passenger on the city bus, then during the travel there are moments when the bus approaches the final destination (measured by the traveled path). However, the direct distance (bird-fly distance between bus and its destination) increases.
     
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    Atheists reply, that one could replace word "God" in the proof with Harry Potter, satan, or Zeus. I have proof of Omniscient Being. You have suggested what His name might be. It is additional information to be proven, but basic one is already proven: He exists.
     
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    Sorry, no. You are trying to sneak in two propositions into each premise by way of a conjunction. Only one statement per premise.
     
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    Wrong, if If you know everything about this theory, then you know, that someone knows the theory. It is at least You. Hence, prior of knowing the theory two knowledges were hidden: the theory, and that somebody knows the theory.
     
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    Please give example. What is premise in my text, and what is statement.
     
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    Sorry. I was explaining your post to someone at the same time I was typing and garbled that a bit.

    1. God knows B, because God knows all.
    2. God "does not know" B, because God does not want to know it.

    The law of contradiction is talking about statements and their negation.
    1 is not the negation of 2.

    1. God knows B, because God knows all.
    2. God does not know B, because God knows all.

    or

    1. God knows B, because God knows all.
    2. God knows B, because God does not know all.

    When you made the subordinate clauses different, they were no longer a negation of one another.


    X and not-X <- proper negation
     
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