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Featured New Atheists?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Policy, Jan 12, 2022 at 9:54 PM.

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  1. Secret Chief

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    That may well be the case:


    "The term New Atheism was coined by the journalist Gary Wolf in 2006 to describe the positions promoted by some atheists of the twenty-first century. New Atheism advocates the view that superstition, religion and irrationalism should not simply be tolerated. Instead, they should be countered, criticized, and challenged by rational argument, especially when they exert undue influence, such as in government, education, and politics."

    - New Atheism - Wikipedia
     
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    So would Christian evangelists be "new theists"?
     
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    The problem is in the end if rational has a limited use. But you are not supposed to ask such a question, because then you are irrational. :D
     
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    The Four Horsemen? So God was the fourth - erm, sorry, that would be Dennett. :oops:

    I've read some of the material of each - probably more of Dawkins and Dennett - but this was merely to be acquainted with their opinions - apart from the two mentioned who had much more to contribute. I had been a 'mostly atheist' for a long time before this, although part agnostic as to there being any Creator. I see such views as perhaps a push-back against the many religions that might be seen as causing so many problems in the world - and which might be useful and might not be. Perhaps the natural course of events would be better rather than antagonising so many with religious views. But then the religious have been doing this for so long with regards the non-religious I at least can forgive them. :oops:
     
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    New Atheists is a new term that has been created by some kind of journalist to address a new wave of very aggressive missionary, evangelical, hyper active atheistic polemicists. So this name would be referred to someone who has similarities to this new understanding. And some atheists have adopted that too. Some reject it.
     
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    That reminds me, I must buy some new candles for my Saint Dawkins shrine. :p
     
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    The New Atheist wave, notable for its aggressive rhetoric, was in no small part a response to the shenanigans of the Creationists who had a long record in the US of trying to get Creationism taught in state schools, not least in science classes. The Dover trial 2005 which rejected another attempt to have "intelligent design" ─ essentially creationism in a new dress ─ taught in schools proved to be the crest of their wave, and they're more subdued these days even if they haven't gone away.

    New Atheism, I think, has followed militant creationism out of fashion, though of course neither has completely disappeared.
     
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    The limits of reason, as I see it,are obvious. We cannot see, analyse, or know the world as it is, we can only ever see it as it interacts with us. We are always part of any equation we formulate to describe or understand the world, and our powers of reason are themselves innately human, therefore to some extent subjective, irrational, unreasonable.
     
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    Yeah, to me rationality is a form of subjectivity, that works with limits. No different than any other human behaviour.
     
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    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    Watch evangelist TV, go to speakers corner, any town centre on a Saturday afternoon. You cannot miss them unless you are deliberately blind to their speel.

    Edit: i will add. The site of any religiously motivated terrorism.
     
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    I would think so but you cannot convince a Christian of that
     
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    Yeah, your Real Life is the world. Wait, it is mine that is the Real Life. No!!! Now I am confused. ;) :D
     
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    Don't think I've got any Evangelist TV on my package.

    And if by any town centre on a Saturday afternoon you mean the eccentric old Jamaican woman outside Finsbury Park Station, shouting that "Da Lord 'im a come fe justify de righteous dem", I'm pretty sure she's harmless. I just tune her out while I'm drinking my latte outside Pret, it's a trick you learn when you live in London.
     
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    Rational is overrated. :)
     
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    So that means it doesn't exist does it? Evangelist preachers are never seen on TV?


    So are "new" atheists, unless you have something to be scared of. Why is it an old Jamaican lady preaching god is ok with you but a guy saying his mind about the bad of religion and god is not ok? Or perhaps one day you will learn to tune out "new" (middle aged) atheists

    Note, i also edited my post to include

     
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    Not mine. But I don't live in reality, so what do I know? ;)
    We are playing the game of you have your life experiences and I have different ones. So yes, religion is a problem in some parts of the world, so that is the only problem that matters and if we get rid of religion, we have no problems. :D
     
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    I don't remember saying I had a problem with atheists, old or new. Though I do wonder why they often sound so angry and negative. The old lady might be a bit touched in the head, but at least she says "rejoice in da name o' de Lord" a lot. Besides, I think I just like her accent. Reminds me of London in the 80s when the pubs especially, were full of Irish and Jamaican voices. Particularly on a Sunday lunchtime after church.
     
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    Perhaps some get angry at constantly being told their feelings are offensive.
     
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    And perhaps accounts for religions? :oops:
    You were diddled, mate, not watched any right-wing biased News programmes yet?
     
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