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Featured New Atheists?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Policy, Jan 12, 2022.

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  1. Augustus

    Augustus the Unreasonable

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    QED
     
  2. BilliardsBall

    BilliardsBall Veteran Member

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    I thought New Atheists primarily use lines of argumentation from recent works by Hitchens and Dawkins, etc.

    For example, I've seen atheists move from the indefensible "good and evil are unreal abstractions" to the annoying "we're more good than the religious people". :)
     
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    cOLTER Well-Known Member

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    At the end of the day nonconformists are all alike. Nonconformist activists are religious about their nonconformity.
     
  4. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Putin' on the Blitz!
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    I'm sure there are, and forums where people endlessly debate/discuss the intricacies of their religious beliefs without ever encountering anything approaching a different view to make them think otherwise, but we are lucky in having a forum that is much more tolerant, and hence we can be what we are. Possibly the atheist fun/ridicule makes up for the religious distaste or worse towards them. :oops:
     
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    cOLTER Well-Known Member

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    "Endlessly debating" religion IS the encountering of different views about theistic religion.

    The topic is Atheist promoting atheism with a kind of religious zeal.
     
  6. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Putin' on the Blitz!
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    Anything wrong with this last then, or do religions get special treatment?
     
  7. Policy

    Policy Well-Known Member
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    Good and evil are abstractions. I don't know what the 'unreal' is supposed to be. We are certainly no gooder or eviler than religious people. We are general better than the depicted gods of religious people. But then so are the religious people.
     
  8. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    What soft science and what hard science? There is only one kind of science. Is it a joke? If it is a joke, I don't get it. I do not consider myself any special by any measure. I am one of the 8 billion humans and trillions upon trillions of life forms, and octillions of octillions of living and non-living entities. This is what my belief (Advaita Hinduism) teaches me. We do not differentiate between any two things. All that exists in the universe is one entity (physical energy aka Brahman).
     
  9. mikkel_the_dane

    mikkel_the_dane Shadow Wolf's Aspie sibling

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    In my culture there are 7 kinds of science. Now google hard science vs soft science.
     
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    Dunno about more good but atheists are
    underrepresented in prisons.
     
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  11. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Yes, I was. Seems like a lifetime ago.
     
  12. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Science is not omnipotent and science is not infallible, but science is the best information available today. Religion is unverified personal belief. My belief (Advaita Hinduism) and science are the same. I am not concerned with what other people believe. I know most Indian scientists are thoroughly theistic. It is the effect of culture. That is their choice and not mine.
     
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  13. mikkel_the_dane

    mikkel_the_dane Shadow Wolf's Aspie sibling

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    I have just had an exchange with an atheist, who treat it like a fact, that religion is a crutch.
     
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    Or he reads them, but doesn't share you're interpretation of them. Not admitting one is in error is not the same as being unable to accept one might be in error, just as not giving ground to "flawed and irrational" arguments is not indicative that one is being dogmatic, or incapable of admitting one can be wrong.

    Personally I have only ever seen religious apologists and theists claim to have access to immutable truth. Atheism of course is simply the lack or absence of belief in any deity or deities, so since it makes no claims, and has no doctrine or dogma, it is neither right nor wrong, it is simply the default position, I was born an atheist, and have been taught about religions, but not found their claims at all compelling. Atheists can of course be wrong, but it's a misnomer to assert atheism can be wrong.

    When atheists become vocal in their criticisms of religious ideas and the worst behaviour of their adherents, theists tend to attack those atheists, or label atheism as extremism, just as we see here with prominent new atheists.
     
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  15. mikkel_the_dane

    mikkel_the_dane Shadow Wolf's Aspie sibling

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    Yeah, the old dance of correlation versus causation.
     
  16. mikkel_the_dane

    mikkel_the_dane Shadow Wolf's Aspie sibling

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    Yes, it is a fact the the everyday world is physical and not else, right? Lets start there.
     
  17. Policy

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    I know. But the tiny numbers don't make me statistically comfortable with claiming a correlation.
     
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    Well to be fair since you have claimed it is ubiquitous here, maybe 6 examples of such posts might convince me, that I've somehow inexplicably missed this all pervasive trend among atheists?

    I might be less sceptical of the claim of course, had I myself not been falsely labelled as promoting scientism, more than once. Just as when theists tried to tell me my atheism is a belief no deity exists. Acknowledging science is bar far and away the most successful method(s) we have for understanding reality, is not scientism, and disbelieving in any deity or deities is not a belief.
     
  19. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Very few people who actually study science (or know at least something about it) make any such claims at all. We know the limitations. We know that reason, and sometimes just compassion, have to provide a lot of answers that science cannot speak to.

    What we do NOT fall back on is magical thinking -- praying for miracles where none are to be had.

    And "the journey of discovers" makes no discovery at all when it proclaims "God did it." That's a total dead end.
     
  20. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    I wonder why people who say over and over again that, "There are dozens of examples," never actually provide any.
     
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