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Neo-nazism and satanism

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by Xafwak, Feb 21, 2010.

  1. Xafwak

    Xafwak XFWK

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    As the atmosphere in the public towards satanists is again that much stricter, I thought it would be good to clear misconceptions to the best of my abilities. While neo-nazis still haven´t flooded satanist communities, I´m worried that incidents where nazis and satanists are connected may spark a new wave of anti-satanism in the public.

    There are neo-nazis among satanists, there is no denying that. Lately I have been approached by e-mail by some nazi trying to invite me to one of their internet communities. :mad: I found out through a quick Google search that this has been an issue earlier as well. The demographic groups that are most likely drawn into satanism are similar to those joining neo-nazi movements, so there are fascist recruiters in the satanist community as well.

    However, I would like to emphasize how bad satanism and fascism go together. While the public has a picture of both as evil misanthropic groups, that view is over-simplifying. Satanism isn´t about being able to eat babies, but one of its key elements is breaking free from dogma and order by authorities, which is opposite to fascism.

    Fascists also have all kinds of racist believes and prejudices that are not a part of satanism. Satan doesn´t care if a soul belongs to a non-European, homosexual or jew. It doesn´t matter. Someone affiliated with both satanism and neo-nazism hasn´t understood what satanism or fascism is all about.

    All non-satanists should keep this in mind and respect the freedom of belief, even for those whose beliefs you may find shocking. The vast majority of satanists don´t want to have anything to do with nazis.

    All satanists should keep this in mind and remember that Satan (or Lucifer or Set) is not a deity that would support a totalitarian government that would most likely restrict satanism itself.

    Hail Satan
     
  2. Klaufi_Wodensson

    Klaufi_Wodensson Vinlandic Warrior

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    I wouldn't call myself a neo-nazi, but I am anti-semetic for the most part. Basically I don't at all like jews, muslims, or christians (if they are considered semetic), due to the evil and crimes against humanity brought on by them. I also don't like black people for the most part, there are very few who I "like". If they can't speak proper english, I want absolutely nothing to do with them. I also am not a fan of black-white interracial couples, but that's my personal belief, I'm not trying to start arguments or anything either.

    Anyways, I agree and do not think that fascism should be associated with Satanism.

    Hail Satan
     
  3. enchanted_one1975

    enchanted_one1975 Resident Lycanthrope

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    Weren't the Nazi's traditionally Christians?
     
  4. Klaufi_Wodensson

    Klaufi_Wodensson Vinlandic Warrior

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    That is the popular belief, however there is some talk of the Nazis being occultists. I am no expert on the matter, so I prefer not to choose which one they were.
     
  5. sonofskeptish

    sonofskeptish It is what it is

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    Could be worse. Instead on neo-nazis, they could be trying to associate you satanists with us evil atheists... after all, we both eat babies and drowned kittens.
     
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    enchanted_one1975 Resident Lycanthrope

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    Either way, at least it takes some of the pressure off of Wicca. :yes:
     
  7. dust1n

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    So.. you like .000000001 of the human population?
     
  8. Klaufi_Wodensson

    Klaufi_Wodensson Vinlandic Warrior

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    If that is the actual statistic, then I guess that is indeed so.
     
  9. Sireal

    Sireal Setian

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    I think Stephen Edred Flowers has done a good deal of accurate scholarly research into the occultism of the Nazi regime in "The Secret King", "Lords of the Left Hand Path" and other of his excellent works on Germanic history. This reference material speaks directly to what Xafwak is talking about.

    As for Satanism and nazism being connected, I don't see how they could be, but for sure some love to cop an attitude in this direction-usually angst ridden 20 somethings- as it adds friction to their agenda, and they have come and gone countless times and I'm sure will do it again.

    Hating any human because of what they "believe" as a Left Hand Path Initiate is hands down ridiculous and quite effectively knocks one out of being any sort of LHP magician altogether, but definitely pegs them as a dyed in the wool RHP practitioner of a malignant sort (Falwell/Robertson/Judaism/etc comes to mind). Belief, as we on the LHP know, is a technique-that's it.

    The National Socialist regime was Christian in its origins and genuinely Believed they were doing Gods Work and rightly so-they did all the same things Christians did and had a fabulous model to work from, they should feel right at home with each other-Christianity and Nazism that is, and in fact Did for some time before and part way into the war-the Judeo/Christian religion's body count is far higher than 6 million though. That holocaust was no different than what Christianity/Islam subject the world to for 2000 years, in fact it wasn't nearly as horrific, but we got that one on film, that makes a big difference as few people know how to read and do research these days. Yes, things are more polite now but the Fact remains these entities are No different and will do it again. Such is their nature and the nature of their Belief Systems of Recycled Ignorance and Willed Stupidity.

    Humans are humans, and for me, are not judged by the color of their skin or their religion/belief system- right or left hand path, but what is Actually inside of them and that is most often Very different from what they profess to be or look like. So it hardly matters to me what anyone calls themselves, labels mean nothing, what is behind your eyes is of far more importance. Getting distracted by the meat machine or the 'text of another' is a complete waste of time and is the realm of small minds.

    I've been a LHP Magician for 20 odd years and have no tolerance for willed ignorance especially where the integrity of the LHP is concerned. Satanism may well include elements of neo-nazism in some groups- their nazi leanings have Nothing to do with their professed religion and more to do with personal prejudice, which to me, removes them instantly from the LHP and puts them firmly among their kind-the RHP religions and they are in good company there. There are far more fascists/racists among the Abrahamic religions than on the LHP. I am not a Satanist but have intimate knowledge of its workings and many good associations with ethical, highly honest beings in that realm. I am Setian and do not believe in god or the devil or any construct that originates from either.

    Professed Satanists that practice fascism as an active principle in their lives certainly are Not LHP magicians/Satanist but in fact fascists/racists and use the LHP as a front for their own brand of recycled ignorance and willed stupidity. Which kind of made laugh when I read the first post as the Abrahamic religions have Way more in common with Nazism than Anything on the LHP I have ever encountered including Satanism. Which I think is why it is so easy for Christianity etc to morph into countless malignancies and do horrid things all over the globe and get away with it-Sophistry. Nazism was simply another manifestation of aspects of these corrupt religions and there will be more of the same, more than likely from its victims who are now very busy victimizing others with the very same ferocity and agenda, disturbing, but fitting and the propaganda machine is in full tilt boogie as one is seldom allowed to criticize this action for fear of being labelled anti-semitic or anti-god and ostracized in the process. Unless one removes ones Self from the world of lies built up around these constructs. That is the LHP.

    On the LHP you are totally responsible for the contents of your own psyche not what you pretend to believe- the Abrahamic religions were pilfered from many places but did not have Semitic origins- Moses was a Priest of Amon and simply stole his philosophy from the Egyptians and gave it to the Hebrews. Hebrews were not slaves in Egypt but paid workers, the Exodus to date has never been archeologically verified after many years of searching and digs, the list goes on and on- look it up for yourself. The LHP is about what you yourself truly KNOW and it had better be accurate or its off to the library with you...before some idiot burns it down to hide the truth again.

    "I believe in the power of Belief" Robert Anton Wilson
     
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  10. Xafwak

    Xafwak XFWK

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    As long as you´re not rallying with skinheads to start a new world war and a genocide, I think it is fine to not like the majority of people. You don´t need to like people you don´t like, it´s that simple.
     
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    I thought satanists would strive to be rational.
    Where is the logic in hating a group for crimes allegedly done by members of the same group in another historical era?
    And anyway, what crimes by jews and muslims are you talking about?
    And how many languages do you speak except your first if one may ask?

    To me you're just an idiot, like all racists.
     
  12. Klaufi_Wodensson

    Klaufi_Wodensson Vinlandic Warrior

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    And that's how I feel. I don't go to skinhead rallies or KKK meetings or anything. Those are stupid.
     
  13. Klaufi_Wodensson

    Klaufi_Wodensson Vinlandic Warrior

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    HAHAHA I am no racist. Like I said, I don't hate them all. I have black friends. I like some black people. I hate most black people because they can't speak English, and that's what they grew up learning. Now it's understandable if they just got off a boat from Africa or something, but not if they have lived in America their whole life.

    Well crimes by muslims are pretty evident, like 9/11. Now don't get all mad because I said that either, because I know that all Muslims aren't terrorists. Like I stated before, I DON'T hate everyone of a single race. I don't like the religion, and I don't bother wasting my time getting to know them or liking them. Chances are they won't like me either because I am a Satanist.
     
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    Okay, I get what you are saying. You original post was a little harsh sounding, that's all. Regardless of a 'black' person's ability to speak proper English, you should wait until their actual character is exposed to make such a jump in a conclusion. They didn't grow up learning proper English; they grew up learning the improper English they use. It's not a automatically a sign of stupidity or anything.
     
  15. dust1n

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    I rounded. :D


    Seriously though, I just wouldn't use the word 'hate' to describe every Christian, Muslim and Jew. We don't actually know them. I agree with you it some sense, but I don't hate them. They don't bother me at all. It seems like 'indifference' is what you are experiencing.
     
  16. Klaufi_Wodensson

    Klaufi_Wodensson Vinlandic Warrior

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    I don't remember saying that I hated them, I just don't like them. Maybe you are right about indifference.
     
  17. Klaufi_Wodensson

    Klaufi_Wodensson Vinlandic Warrior

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    I did not mean for it to sound harsh, my apologies. I already got **** from some jews because of that post, they decided to block me because of it. But what they would have noticed about me, is that I haven't bashed them or anything. Especially on this forum, I do my best to be understanding. Now I don't like them, but I'm not rude.

    And I understand about the improper english, but for the most part, the black people who talk like that aren't very bright. Yes there are some, and I have some friends like that as well. And I do wait for character, if they are going to be my friend. If they get to know me, then they know the type of person I am, and I know how they are. For they most part, they don't try to befriend me, so indifference would be they better explanation, now that I think about it.
     
  18. dust1n

    dust1n Zindīq

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    I mean, I can feel you on that. If someone has no interest in 'getting to know me', it virtually eliminates all drive for me to want 'to know them'.
     
  19. Klaufi_Wodensson

    Klaufi_Wodensson Vinlandic Warrior

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    Exactly. So you were right then on me feeling indifference. Again, my apologies for the harsh sound of my first post
     
  20. dust1n

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    FORGIVEN! :yes:


    To the OP:

    I didn't ever make that jump of faith to think Neo-Nazism and Satanism were a direct correlation, but do you know anything about the supposed connection?
     
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