That was exactly the point of gate-pages: inviting in the reader.You didn't ask me, but ... for me, it's the tunnel perspective of the etching. Looking into a tunnel that either leads to the past or the future. It "calls" me in.
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That was exactly the point of gate-pages: inviting in the reader.You didn't ask me, but ... for me, it's the tunnel perspective of the etching. Looking into a tunnel that either leads to the past or the future. It "calls" me in.
Well, I am already working on one for my yeshiva's newsletter. It's mostly in my head at the moment. The main subject of the article is writing about Jewish gate pages in general, and at the end I'll add everything I know about this one in particular.You know that you are on you're way to writing an article, if not a book, about the Gate, don't you? I suspect that the Old Ones waiting for us want you to.
I find the gate with a big hole in it very interesting. And in these kinds of things, usually those little emblems, and the kind of plant depicted are significant. Yet I can't identify, either. The image seems to have an air of deliberate obscurity to it.You didn't ask me, but ... for me, it's the tunnel perspective of the etching. Looking into a tunnel that either leads to the past or the future. It "calls" me in.
I never thought of checking what plant that is, but that's an interesting idea.and the kind of plant depicted are significant.
Oh, the hole is where the title was printed. I just posted a version without the title. Here's a titled version:I find the gate with a big hole in it very interesting.
I'm pretty sure it's not, but was probably made specifically for this late-19th century printing. But this is just a guess based on not being able to find older copies of this.I don't think this is nearly that old
Very interesting. I'm surprised that the Romm Press, who spent a fortune making this Talmud (all the work is described at the end of the last tractate), gave the title-page job to a newbie artist. On the other hand, I think I remember reading today that during this period, it was illegal for non-Russians to study art in art schools. One Russian-trained artist decided he didn't care and opened a free art school in Lithuania (maybe in Vilna, but I don't remember). This Russian ban might explain this artist's inexperience.So I would suspect the artist was not as well trained as he might otherwise have been.
Hey @PureX, do you have some examples you could show me? Or maybe an article on the subject?When visual perspective was realized and worked out in the 1400s, artists sometimes applied different points of view to different subject-content to signify different ideological 'realms' in their paintings, mosaics, reliefs, etc.,. Often giving divine beings, angels, and saints one linear perspective, and humans, the Earth, etc., another, and even another for demons, the damned, and hell, below.
I've noticed that the linear perspective is significantly off between the columns
Three point perspective ... LINKHey @PureX, do you have some examples you could show me? Or maybe an article on the subject?
Vilna was known by Ashkenazi Jews for many years as "Yerushalayim d'Lita", "Jerusalem of Lithuania". Just so you understand how central the city was to European Jews.So, Vilnius,Lithuania, was a really important city in terms of religion ... to Christians of that part of Europe AND, as I just learned today, TO JEWS.
I don't know if I'm following correctly, but you surmise that because gates were an important them of Vilna, the Vilna gate actually has a little gate drawn on it? Even though the basic idea of the gate is to just symbolize a gate based on the verse "This is the gate of the LORD; the righteous shall enter into it."?So here's my theory: Only, the Vilna Gate image actually used by the Romm publishing house, has the gate in the image. Publishers outside of Vilnius omitted the gate in their artwork. So, if you see the gate in the Vilna Gate in a book, the book was printed in Vilnius; if you don't, it wasn't.
That's begun "to dawn" on me ... big time.Just so you understand how central the city was to European Jews.
Close. Because Vilna/Vilnius was such an important city, and it's gates and fortification had been so important to its defense, "gates" were an important symbol.I don't know if I'm following correctly, but you surmise that because gates were an important them of Vilna, the Vilna gate actually has a little gate drawn on it?
Indubitably, IMO, that significant symbolic value of "the gate" concept would seem to me to have been its primary value. However, the physical gates of the city of Vilnius and the icity's importance to European Jews added to the primary value. There's a "multiple-entendre" meaning in "the gate" symbol" happening that has captured my imagination. But, like I said, ... "my theory" is very speculative and--for me--thought-provoking.Even though the basic idea of the gate is to just symbolize a gate based on the verse "This is the gate of the LORD; the righteous shall enter into it."?
Here's a title-page