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Nazinotstand,Dresden Germany has a big problem so does all europe

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
It is,it's horrid and I can only see it getting worse.

Me too, for many years to come, swings and roundabouts. Last time far right politics hit the fan brought the world to war.

Hopefully more sane minds will prevail and the situation will ease back to centralist politics, but i wont wo holding my breath.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
For all their condescension towards the state of British politics, the far right is far more politically powerful in 'enlightened' European countries like Germany, Austria and France.

A fact that also seems to escape many Brits on the centre-left looking longingly to the continent.

This is true,in eastern Europe it's very strong too.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Me too, for many years to come, swings and roundabouts. Last time far right politics hit the fan brought the world to war.

Hopefully more sane minds will prevail and the situation will ease back to centralist politics, but i wont wo holding my breath.

Me either,it's gathering momentum so I'm hoping for the sane minds too.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
I agree with everyone that this is horrible. My concern is that extremists on the left will cook up "solutions" (like censorship), that would end up being worse than the disease.
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
So a few people with tiki torches made in China March around and everyone feels the need to put their sh****ng pants on. I wonder if the same far right nationalist militias the U.S. supported in the Ukraine to fight the Russians have any influence in this, certainly fighting in the Ukraine against Russian trained forces would have presented wonderful training opportunities.
 
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dianaiad

Well-Known Member
Me too, for many years to come, swings and roundabouts. Last time far right politics hit the fan brought the world to war.

Hopefully more sane minds will prevail and the situation will ease back to centralist politics, but i wont wo holding my breath.

extremists on both 'sides' are dangerous.

I, however, have always wondered how anybody gets away with calling Nazism far RIGHT. Nothing about Nazism resembles anything that mainstream conservatives believe in.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
extremists on both 'sides' are dangerous.

I, however, have always wondered how anybody gets away with calling Nazism far RIGHT. Nothing about Nazism resembles anything that mainstream conservatives believe in.


Nazism of the 30s and 40s was centre right authoritarian. Things have moved on, todays Nazi's are about as far right as possible
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
Nazism of the 30s and 40s was centre right authoritarian. Things have moved on, todays Nazi's are about as far right as possible
I repeat. How does anybody figure that Nazism is 'right wing' in ANY way?

Would someone please explain that to me?

I'm especially interested in how Nazism of the 30's and 40's would be considered CENTER right authoritarian.

I'm pretty darned right wing. Nazism is about as far to the LEFT as I can imagine, to be quite honest. How DO you guys get away with this?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I repeat. How does anybody figure that Nazism is 'right wing' in ANY way?

Would someone please explain that to me?

I'm especially interested in how Nazism of the 30's and 40's would be considered CENTER right authoritarian.

I'm pretty darned right wing. Nazism is about as far to the LEFT as I can imagine, to be quite honest. How DO you guys get away with this?

Simple really, because Nazism is right wing and you can repeat it until the cows come home, it will make no difference to the politics

Maybe the political compass (quite an authority on political leaning) chart showing where Hitler stood may help you figure it out

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Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
extremists on both 'sides' are dangerous.

I, however, have always wondered how anybody gets away with calling Nazism far RIGHT. Nothing about Nazism resembles anything that mainstream conservatives believe in.
Not that crap again. Nazism is usually considered far-right because rightism is defined by a belief in hierarchy and leftism is defined by a belief in equality. So that's how they can be considered far-right. Conservatism isn't far-right, nor is it the only right-wing ideology so I don't see why you're confused.

A better category for them would be third position, since NS has both far-right and far-left aspects. There's a leftist economic strain of it called Strasserism, for example.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I agree with everyone that this is horrible. My concern is that extremists on the left will cook up "solutions" (like censorship), that would end up being worse than the disease.
That's why I'm against the socialist Democrats. Their method of operation is tyranny through crisis.
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
Simple really, because Nazism is right wing and you can repeat it until the cows come home, it will make no difference to the politics

Maybe the political compass (quite an authority on political leaning) chart showing where Hitler stood may help you figure it out

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Any chart that puts OBAMA on the 'right authoritarian' quarter has a credibility problem.
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
Not that crap again. Nazism is usually considered far-right because rightism is defined by a belief in hierarchy and leftism is defined by a belief in equality. So that's how they can be considered far-right. Conservatism isn't far-right, nor is it the only right-wing ideology so I don't see why you're confused.

A better category for them would be third position, since NS has both far-right and far-left aspects. There's a leftist economic strain of it called Strasserism, for example.

Don't you go putting a chart up too. The one Christine put up has Mao and Stalin on the top of the 'authoritarian' and far left. Believe me, neither one of those folks believed in equality.

In fact, as far as I can see, the left does not believe in equality, even though it pays lip service to the idea.
 
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