'Nature' 3 diff verses, 3 diff meanings

[tigrers99]

Nature (PHUSIS)- foo'sis

a. The nature of things, the force, laws, order, of nature; as opp. to what is monstrous, abnormal. That which is contrary to natures laws, against nature (ROMANS 1:26) (good for the homosexual debate)

b. Natural sense, native conviction or knowledge (1 Cor. 11:14) (good for the long hair-veil debate)

c. A mode of feeling and acting which by long habit has become nature (Eph.2:3) (good for refuting 'original sin')

Thayer's Grrek-English Lexicon of the New Testament

 

[Master Vigil]

I still think that which is monstrous and abnormal is still natural. For me, if it exists in some form or another, it is natural. For if it wasn't natural, it wouldn't exist.

 

[tigrers99]

"For if it wasn't natural, it wouldn't exist."

The implication of this statement would be that it is 'only natural' for someone to get their joy from torturing some animal or small child. After all, like you said; "If it wasn't natural, it wouldn't exist."

 

[painted wolf]

The implication of this statement would be that it is 'only natural' for someone to get their joy from torturing some animal or small child. After all, like you said; "If it wasn't natural, it wouldn't exist."

yup, it is natural. Its not good or perhaps eaven common, but that doesn't make it any less 'natural'.

Just because something is immoral doesn't make it unnatural.

wa:do

 

[Master Vigil]

Exactly painted wolf. Your perception of the morality of it does not negate it neing natural.