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Natural immunity appears to be stronger than immunity from vaccinations:

Discussion in 'COVID-19' started by Subduction Zone, Sep 2, 2021.

  1. GardenLady

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    Doesn't mean anything? The deaths of your elderly or immunocompromised or otherwise vulnerable neighbors doesn't mean anything because 95 to 98 percent recover?
     
  2. ElishaElijah

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    Dr. McCullough’s testimony, the treatments he has successfully used to treat patients, the group of doctors using these treatments are the basis for my views. He has a stellar career, written many peer reviewed papers. So yes when I hear him speak and look at the Covid in home treatment guide they put together I do trust him and the information.
    On the other hand the vaccine only approach with the mandates, suppression and ostracizing of dissenting voices of many doctors, the scrubbing of information using these early treatments which he and other doctors have had success with. It causes me to have a lot of distrust and skepticism about those pushing the vaccines. Not only that but VAERS has had a lot of deaths and adverse reactions to the vaccines which are only a small percentage of the actual. Also, natural immunity isn’t even considered in the mandates so with these reasons when I see the government hiding information from reputable doctors, using coercion and mandates and trampling rights of citizens while giving a pass to others. For these reasons I choose to listen to doctors like McCullough.
     
  3. GardenLady

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    Natural immunity requires exposure to the virus and recovering from the illness. How many lives are you willing to sacrifice for that?
     
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  4. ElishaElijah

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    I’m talking about all of the millions of people who have already had Covid and recovered. But will ask you the same question about the mandatory vaccines, How many lives are you willing to sacrifice and will you be personally liable for any damages incurred by the vaccines after forcing people to take the vaccines who don’t want it or need it?
     
  5. Koldo

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    Holy strawman! Where did I say the deaths of elderly or immunocompromised or otherwise vulnerable neighbors doesn't mean anything because 95 to 98 percent recover?
     
  6. Koldo

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    Ok. But you didn't answer my question. I want to know if it is worth of my time to point out the problems with what this doctor is saying.

    Here is what I don't want to see happening further down the road: you bringing up a new paper, and then another one, and then another one.

    So, if I were to point out the issues in the very link you have provided, would that be sufficient to change your mind?
     
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  7. ElishaElijah

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    My mind is made up about Covid, Vaccines and treatment. I’ve made my decision on the subject and the more time that goes on the more confident I am with my decision. Dr. Michael McDowell has also put out a video that is very instructive about the gain of function of Covid and how the vaccines work in a detrimental way.
     
  8. SkepticThinker

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    From the CDC:


    "Are all events reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) caused by vaccination?

    No. VAERS data alone cannot determine if the reported adverse event was caused by a COVID-19 vaccination. Anyone can report events to VAERS, even if it is not clear whether a vaccine caused the problem. Some VAERS reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. These adverse events are studied by vaccine safety experts who look for unusually high numbers of health problems, or a pattern of problems, after people receive a particular vaccine.

    Recently, the number of deaths reported to VAERS following COVID-19 vaccination has been misinterpreted and misreported as if this number means deaths that were proven to be caused by vaccination. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem.

    Learn more about VAERS."


    COVID-19 Vaccine Facts
     
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  9. Subduction Zone

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    There is no evidence that that has happened. Yes, vaccinated people have died. We all die sooner or later. So a number of people in an immense group is not evidence for anything. What needs to be shown is a higher than normal number of deaths in that group. That has not been done. But it is unfortunately dead simple to show a much higher than normal death rate among the unvaccinated.
     
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    This is only true for over 60 where unvaccinated were given no early treatment and had other health issues.
     
  11. Subduction Zone

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    There are on the order of one million doctors in the US alone. Do you think that they are all honest? Do you think that they are all intelligent? Do you think that they are all ethical? You would be rather foolish if you thought this since many tend to disagree with each other.

    What you have done is to have chosen one of the unethical ones simply because he says what you want doctors to say. That is never the proper way to approach a serious and complex issue. Dr. McDowell has been shown to be wrong in almost all of his claims. You can check with this news source. It is one that is at the peak of both reliability and being nonpartisan:

    Fact Check-Fact check: Ex-Pfizer scientist repeats COVID-19 vaccine misinformation in recorded speech

    Now I am sure that you can find a wacko site that supports you. The internet is full of dishonest and idiotic loons. But if a site cannot support their claims with reliable sources themselves it is worthless .
     
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  12. Subduction Zone

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    Citation needed.

    In other words you just made a rather foolish claim and need to support it.
     
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