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Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by questfortruth, Sep 21, 2019.

  1. questfortruth

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    Seeing at this point of the paper the mental sickness as the demon possession,
    one can guess, that any sickness, including ``natural'' death and ageing is
    consequence of the demonic action; whereas the angel of death is living in your body.

    Evidence from the Bible is following.

    The chief demon's name is Death, and he drives the victim into the grave by ageing and self-mutilating, because is written:

    ``Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned'' Romans 5:12, ``You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.'' John 8:44, ``The last enemy to be destroyed is death.'' 1 Corinthians 15:26, ``When the devil had finished all this tempting, he left him until an opportune time.'' Luke 4:13, what the opportune time? The time of Jesus's death then? The demons have demonstrated the inability to rull over a living creatures, because is written: ``He said to them, "Go!" So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water.'' Matthew 8:32.

    So, any demon name is also Death, because is written: ``If the head of the house has been called Beelzebul, how much more the members of his household!'' Matthew 10:25.

    Indeed, the deadly demon possession has begun the moment of the first sin,
    because the Adam and Eve have acted as if they are suffering from strongest form of the
    Paranoid schizophrenia, because is written: ``Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden.'' Genesis 3:8.

    Evidence is in the file attached. Thanks for comments! Paper is submitted to a medical journal.
     

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    I don't see any empirical evidence, here. Blaming it on demons seems simplistic, and the Bible is hardly a biology text.
     
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    You have seen the negative sights, because you are using "scientific skepticism". Latter is the fallacy of wishfull thinking. Try again, but now use the "scientific trust". The current Methodology of science is devil-oriented.
     
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    Aging is a part of our existence in the physical realm, Suffering is a result of clining to the attachments to physical life. Nothing evil about that. But it is up to each one of us to let go of the fear of life and death :)
     
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    Have you read the argumentation in my file? If yes, can you disprove it?
     
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    I took the time to read yes, But there are a few questions arising.
    What are the demons you speak of? where are they?
    How would you be able to "prove" that it is demons and for example not a form of Karma that is the cause of the person getting schizophrenia?

    Can it be a form of spirit "possession"? technically yes, but how to prove it?
    But that does not explain the OP in death and aging, those are two different cases
     
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    Another question arise. Do you use what we write here in this forum as your basis in the paper you write?
     
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    No, all remains in RF.
     
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    I am sure that is not allowed according to the forum rules.
     
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    I rest on Bible. I do not rest on different platform. So, you can not disprove me by blaming, that I do not use your platform. The knowledge of a person is defined as knowledge, which is based on his platform. The Biblical God and His Church is my platform. So, please speak in my terms.
     
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    The Stalin in USSR says something like this: "let there be person, we will find the crime article."
     
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    I have no needs to disprove you, i was only mentioning that the forum rules are clear that direct quotation or use of peoples posts made in RF should not be used outside RF without asking each person if it is ok to use their posts as a basis for a work done outside of RF.
     
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    The Stalin in USSR says something like this: "let there be person, we will find the crime article."
     
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    Devil oriented???!!! Science doesn't even believe in devils.
    How is science devil oriented? It gathers evidence, proposes a conclusion that can be drawn from the evidence, then tests it and publishes the results for others to criticize. I don't see anything particularly demonic about that.

    What is this "scientific trust?"
    You reject observable evidence and test results to chose to an ancient, ambiguous, collection of contradictory writings, containing fantastic, unevidenced, untestable, often clearly erroneous claims. You reject well-evidenced scientific claims. Why? Why do rest your world-view on the claim with the least evidence? Science has collected mounds of tried and tested evidence you can see for yourself, yet for some reason you reject it. Why?

    There are also other, competing anthologies of religious folklore. Did you consider them? How did you hit on this particular book?
     
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    There are two basic platforms: Existent God and non-existent idol. No more basic platforms possible. I chose the productive one. But others have chosen to go through methodological naturalism, which has led them to absolute solipsism: ``the universe should not exist'' (says Dr. Michio Kaku, YouTube). The scientific trust is not the fallacy of wishfull thinking. The scientific trust serves the interests of the author. It consists of following steps: 1. a referee felt, that this place in manuscript is doubt-full, 2. the referee suppots this feeling with logical argumentation, 3. if this argumentation is found, then the referee tries to find for the author the excuse within the arguments in the paper, 4. if no excuse can be found, then referee rejects the paper.
     
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    Your logical fallacy is black or white
    The one that restricted human progress for 2,000 years? That one?

    How is that the productive one?
    It seems to me that the scientific and cognitive revolution ushered in a much more productive era than the the dark ages of religious dogma.
    :eek:???
    Not to knock solipsism, but I don't see a lot of solipsist scientists.
    Kaku is saying that contemporary physics still does not explain the totality of reality. Newton was an improvement, and Einstiein, and Quantum theory. But Kaku is saying current physics still can't completely explain the universe, and we must continue our research.
    Seriously -- I don't understand this at all. To begin with, what, exactly, is the "scientific trust?"
     
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    OK, Take my own, Vedantic view:
    Your take: "Existent God and non-existent idol."

    Mine: "Reality is structured in consciousness." Existence is generated in your mind. It's a product of your mind. It's a dream.

    There are multiple subjective realities, corresponding to multiple states of consciousness.

    If I dream of a unicorn, or a teapot, or a god, are they "real?"
    I'd say yes -- they're subjectively real -- within the reality I'm inhabiting.
    I'd also say no -- they're objectively unreal -- as will become obvious when I wake up to the next level.

    Neither black, nor white -- nor even grey.
     
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    You might see it different, but the word "God" is the name. Only one being has this name.
     
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    Sorry but you are wrong in this. God in english is different in Arabic and it is Allah and Allah means GOD. God is a tittle not a name ;)
     
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