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My top verses showing Son of God is not the God of Abraham.

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Iymus, Feb 17, 2020.

  1. Iymus

    Iymus Active Member
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    My top six verses in chronological order showing that the Son of God is not the God of Abraham. If split in half, the first three would be my top three. Essentially there comes a point that "Pro 17:27".

    Emphasis on:
    God of Abraham sending him; "Joh 8:42"
    God of Abraham being in heaven; "Mat 7:21"
    Subjection unto the will of God of Abraham; "Joh 7:17"
    Him coming in God of Abraham's Name / Authority; " Joh 5:43"
    Subjection unto the works of God of Abraham; "Joh 10:37"
    Him returning back to God of Abraham. "Joh 16:28"

    Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

    Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

    Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.


    Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

    Joh 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

    Joh 16:28
    I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
     
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    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    In the Hebrew Bible, the word elohim sometimes refers to a single deity, particularly the Jewish God, at other times it refers to deities in the plural.

    The word is identical to the usual plural form of the word el, which means gods or magistrates, and it is cognate to the word 'l-h-m which is found in Ugaritic, where it is used as the pantheon for Canaanite gods, the children of El, and conventionally vocalized as "Elohim".

    Most uses of the term Elohim in the later Hebrew text imply a view that
    Elohim - Wikipedia
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim
     
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    the whole is greater than the sum of its parts
     
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    @wizanda Jesus is the Temple.. and he was raised from the dead in three days. You call it a lie.

    There probably won't ever be another temple.. John of Patmos doesn't see one in Revelation.

    They did try to build a third Temple under Emperor Julian. but it was felled by fire and earthquakes.

    The Jewish people aren't going back to animal sacrifice.
     
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    The Synoptic Gospels between them make a case of what was possibly stated.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    True. It seems that with a strong foundation of the torah and tanakh, believing only in validity of Matthew would be sufficient.
     
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    except that none of these stand in opposition to the doctrine of the Trinity. These all speak of Jesus as being fully human — which the doctrine says he is.
     
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    Act 15:18 KJV Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

    Joh 4:34 KJV Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

    Joh 5:37 KJV And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

    Joh 5:44 KJV How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

    Mar 13:31 KJV Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
    Mar 13:32 KJV But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

    1Ti 1:17 KJV Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

     
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    This seems to be a common MO of yours: “I’m just gonna wear him down by posting a bunch of verses that don’t prove anything.”
     
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