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My OT class

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Aqualung, Jan 26, 2006.

  1. Aqualung

    Aqualung Tasty

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    Well, no, not a human lady. A deified lady. She has a name, I'm just not really sure of what it is. I don't know much about her, but I know she exists.

    Again, did you read anything I posted, like that thing from Jayhawker?

    Oh. And what are you saying they are? That they were one person, or that they were many people?
     
  2. Deut 13:1

    Deut 13:1 Well-Known Member

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    Now I could be wrong, but in my opinion and my understanding, the constant amount of male terms in Torah is a fault of the Hebrew Language. As you may or may not know, in hebrew, every noun is either male or female, and every verb has a male or female identifier with it. There is no such thing as a neutral term like "it". When a person is in doubt, go male. If there is a group of men and women, then the verbs go male. So when in doubt with HaShem, go male. Now, of course this doesn't mean that HaShem is a male, nor would you find me claiming such, it has more to do with the intrinsics of Hebrew.
     
  3. Aqualung

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    Ah, okay, thanks for the clearification, Deut. Though this pits Deut against Deut... Which one do I go with?!?! :biglaugh:
     
  4. Deut 13:1

    Deut 13:1 Well-Known Member

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    Here's an article you will find interesting.

    Part 1.
     
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    Deut 13:1 Well-Known Member

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    Continued from Part 1

    Link here: http://www.innernet.org.il/article.php?aid=74
     
  6. i believe in tranquility

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    Well bud, ur not making that much sense right now.

    Again, the word he is not in the Hebrew bible, but in English it appears to be so.

    Im saying the concept of Adam and Eve represents MANY people.
     
  7. Aqualung

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    Like, God married a goddess, his wife.

    Ok. I'll go with that.
     
  8. Deut 13:1

    Deut 13:1 Well-Known Member

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    So in your expert opinion, how literal of a translation should be get?

    And I found this hilarious.

    Abbot and Costello Learn Hebrew
    by Rabbi Jack Moline
    ABBOTT: I see you're here for your Hebrew lesson.
    COSTELLO: I'm ready to learn.
    A: Now, the first thing you must understand is that Hebrew and English have many words which sound alike, but they do not mean the same thing.
    C: Sure, I understand.
    A: Now, don't be too quick to say that.
    C: How stupid do you think I am - don't answer that. It's simple - some words in Hebrew sound like words in English, but they don't mean the same.
    A: Precisely.
    C: We have that word in English, too. What does it mean in Hebrew?
    A: No, no. Precisely is an English word.
    C: I didn't come here to learn English, I came to learn Hebrew. So make with the Hebrew.
    A: Fine. Let's start with mee.
    C: You.
    A: No, mee.
    C: Fine, we'll start with you.
    A: No, we'll start with mee.
    C: Okay, have it your way.
    A: Now, mee is who.
    C: You is Abbott.
    A: No, no, no. Mee is who.
    C: You is Abbott.
    A: You don't understand.
    C: I don't understand? Did you just say me is who?
    A: Yes I did. Mee is who.
    C: You is Abbott.
    A: No, you misunderstand what I am saying. Tell me about mee.
    C: Well, you're a nice enough guy.
    A: No, no. Tell me about mee!
    C: Who?
    A: Precisely.
    C: Precisely what?
    A: Precisely who.
    C: It's precisely whom!
    A: No, mee is who.
    C: Don't start that again - go on to something else.
    A: All right. Hu is he.
    C: Who is he?
    A: Yes.
    C: I don't know. Who is he?
    A: Sure you do. You just said it.
    C: I just said what?
    A: Hu is he.
    C: Who is he?
    A: Precisely.
    C: Again with the precisely! Precisely who?
    A: No, precisely he.
    C: Precisely he? Who is he?
    A: Precisely!
    C: And what about me?
    A: Who.
    C : me, me, me!
    A : Who, who, who!
    C : What are you, an owl? Me! Who is me?
    A : No, hu is he!
    C: I don't know, maybe he is me!
    A: No, hee is she!
    C: (STARE AT ABBOTT) Do his parents know about this?
    A: About what?
    C: About her!
    A: What about her?
    C: That she is he!
    A: No, you've got it wrong - hee is she!
    C:' Then who is he?
    A: Precisely!
    C: Who?
    A: He!
    C: Me?
    A: Who!
    C: He?
    A; She!
    C: Who is she?
    A: No, hu is he.
    C: I don't care who is he, I want to know who is she?
    A: No, that's not right.
    C: How can it not be right? I said it. I was standing here when I said it, and I know me.
    A: Who.
    C: Who?
    A: Precisely!
    C: Me! Me is that he you are talking about! He is me!
    A: No, hee is she!
    C: Wait a Minute, wait a minute! I'm trying to learn a little Hebrew, and now I can't even speak English. Let me review.
    A: Go ahead.
    C: Now first You want to know me is who.
    A: Correct.
    C: And then you say who is he.
    A: Absolutely.
    C: And then you tell me he is she.
    A & C: Precisely!
    C : Now look at this logically. If me is who, and who is he, and he is she, don't it stand to reason that me is she?
    A: Who?
    C: She!
    A: That is he!
    C: Who is he?
    A & C: Precisely!
    C: I have just about had it. You have me confused I want to go home. You know what I want? Ma!
    A: What.
    C I said Ma.
    A: What.
    Q: What are you, deaf? I want Ma!
    A: What!
    C: Not what, who!
    A: He!
    C: Not he! Ma is not he!
    A: Of course not! Hu is he!
    C I don't know. I don't know. I don't care. I don't care who is he, he is she, me is who, ma is what. I just want to go home now and play with my dog.
    A: Fish.
    C Fish?
    A: Dag is fish.
    C: That's all, I'm outa here.
    If you need help understanding this, PM me and I'll explain the pun on words.
     
  9. Aqualung

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    Nice. I think I get the gist of it (if not the really subtle puns).
     
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    Well, I think I will send an angry note to my high school Hebrew teacher. It appears from your vast knowledge and insight that she lied to me for 4 years. Worst of all, she didn't even blush. Oh, the chutzpah!
     
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    what am i lieing about.
     
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    Man, im still trying to firgure out who this mysterious "goddess" is. Until you can show me who this is, im going to have to stick with God is niether male nor female.
     
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    But of course in christianity you have to do it through his son!Thats not through g-d! But a new demi g-d! Like mithras was to ahura mazdra jesus is to g-d in christianity :bounce
     
  14. dan

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    The word found in Genesis has nothing to do with the words you provided.
     
  15. dan

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    God will not reveal His wife to mankind. With as much blasphemy that is hurled at Him He doesn't want His wife to experience any of that. He's the perfect husband and He protects His wife. Genesis says "we will create them, male and female, in our image."
     
  16. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    This is anthropomorphic projection run amok. :biglaugh:
     
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    Halcyon Lord of the Badgers

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    Is it any stranger than assuming God is androgynous?
     
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    Yes. For one, 'assuming' is naive; 'proclaiming' is delusional.
     
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    While you scamper around trying to rob our Heavenly Father of His gender and His nature.
     
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  20. Aqualung

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    Well, since I believe that Jesus is Jehovah (lord and ruler of the earth) it's no different. I'm not getting to "god" through anybody else, because I can't go through A to get to A.
     
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