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Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Link, May 29, 2020.

  1. Link

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    Since I don't got much else to do this summer. I'm going to be doing this. I will show where I am amazed by it, also I will show WTF moments, like, how can God says this moments (it can't be from him moments).

    You guys are welcome to comment or debate some of my interpretation, which is why I put in this section.

    I will try to go in order, but will also talk about Quran sometimes with respect to a verse I find amazing or a WTF moment if you get my gist.
     
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    1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

    3And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
    6And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
    9And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.
    11Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
    14And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
    20And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.
    24And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
    26Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
    27So God created mankind in his own image,
    in the image of God he created them;
    male and female he created them.
    28God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
    29Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
    31God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.






    My comments:


    Right away, if this is from God, it's a huge test. The first question, is, how can our souls know it is true? How can it verify it.

    If it's literal, the story is over, we can't verify it, as rationally especially at the time it was revealed, we didn't have the means to verify it. If it's metaphoric, what does it mean then?

    Is water metaphoric here? Is Sky metaphoric here? Is Sun and moon also metaphors, stars, metaphors....

    In this case what is talking about?.... Is earth, vegetation, is it all literal? It's partially literal and partially not?

    And if it is literal what is referring to? I will take a guess at that in the next post as a possible framework that it makes of metaphors later to be emphasized in the Bible.
     
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    In the beginning G-d created Heaven and Earth. This creation was good and was completed after humans were made. The implication is that creation occurred in stages from simple to complex, and humans are the most complex.
     
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    Comment on "spirit over the waters".

    The Quran says "and his throne was upon the waters so that he may try you which one of you is best in actions" - according to Shiite hadiths, this is when God took the covenant of Ahlulbayt with respect to humanity. He made his religion upon water first. This is where God said to humanity "Am I not your Lord?."

    In the hadiths, it also said God is upon his through his name.

    If we skip to the Gospel of John, we automatically, remember "in the beginning was the word..."

    When we think of the word from viewpoint of metaphor, we see it synonymous with light. But light is a metaphor from one aspect only.

    According to hadiths and verses of Quran, the light is also metaphorically a blessed tree. From another viewpoint, the trees here, and vegetations are a way to see spiritually who we are.

    There is a hadith I want to share in this respect:

    When love of Allah takes possession of the innermost being of Allah's bondsman, it empties him of every preoccupation except remembrance of Allah. The lover is the most inwardly sincere of all people for Allah. He is the most truthful in his words, the most faithful in his pledge, the most astute in his actions, the purest in remembrance, and the greatest in devoting his self in worship.

    The angels compete with each other to converse with him, and boast of having seen him. Through him Allah makes His lands flourish, and by His regard, Allah honours His slaves. Allah gives to people when they ask Him by his right, and removes afflictions from them by His mercy. If people knew how they stand with Allah, they would not try to draw near to Allah save by the dust of his feet.

    The Commander of the Faithful said, 'Love of Allah is a fire which does not pass by anything without burning it up; the light of Allah does not come over something without illuminating it.

    The skies of Allah do not cause a cloud to appear without it covering whatever is beneath it; the wind of Allah does not blow on something without it moving. Allah's water gives life to everything, and from Allah's earth everything grows. Whoever loves Allah is given every possession and authority.'

    The Holy Prophet said, 'When Allah loves a slave in my community, He casts love of him into the hearts of His friends, the spirits of the angels and the keepers of His throne, so that they love him.’

    That lover truly has an abundance of bliss, and will be able to intercede with Allah on the Day of Resurrection.'




    Likewise in a prayer from the 9th Successor, it says:

    O Allah, make the sky of Your sustenance shower me with large quantities of the water of Your heavy clouds,

    And in the same prayer:

    carry the ridding of my misfortune on behalf of me
    on the quickest riding animals,


    Also:
    extend before me the carpet of fruitfulness,

    Also:

    make the fountains of Your expansive mercy to gush out for me,
    make the rivers of opulent living to flow before me, out of Your clemency,
    cause the land of my poverty to be barren,
    fertilize my barren harsh paucity,


    So understanding this, it maybe, that God is revealing metaphorically who we are, and is talking about the inward world of humanity.

    And this makes sense, because, the fall of Adam brought us to this world, while heaven is spiritually a higher world then this world, and it's not like this world, the fallen world.

    To be continued.....
     
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    The question arises, if humans were in his image, after, what is it referring to before? It's referring to who we were pre-coming to a vulnerable state. Adam and Eve when created, were created by clay like nature. This means they took on physical form away from the initial garden. The garden lived within them, and they were there, yet they were also a physical being.
     
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    the stars, moon, and sun, to me, seems to be prelude about the position of his guides as light to the world, and all this can be seen description of the exalted ones also translated as gods or God in some places. I will get into this more later.

    Will move on to the next set of verses.
     
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    By what standard did you arrive to the conclusion that humans are more complex than anything else in the cosmos?
     
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    Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

    2By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.


    Okay so a little bit on Elohim, translated as God here:

    Elohim - Wikipedia

    Basically not going into the details, but the Arabic mirror can be two fold to this word, "Allah" "Ali" or "Al-Aleen" "God" "The Exalted" or the "The Exalted Ones". It's used plural in Hebrew to denote that ultimate exalted being that would combine all exaltedness of all exalted beings and will do so forever, it is a sense to say all greatness of all possible exalted ones (gods of polytheism) unite in God.

    However, there is a problem if this verse is correct as referring it to God.

    The problem arises is that God doesn't need to rest. So therefore, it makes sense it's to the exalted ones. The exalted ones are important to recall, because, we will see Adam is enticed to want to be one of them.

    In other words, it's not off topic to mention them. The problem arises why refer to them as singular then? Well, because, they are a unit as well from one perspective and are alluded to as a tree or the tree of life or tree of knowledge later.

    The syllogism is as follows:

    Elohim can be translated as either exalted ones or God (the ultimately exalted being).
    Since God doesn't rest, it makes sense that it refers not to God but something else.
    The something else is the exalted ones.

    I will get back to this later and will show why exalted ones are important both here, and continue to be important through out the Torah, Tanakh and especially important to keep in mind when reading the Gospels "in the beginning was the word, and the word was with the exalted ones, and the exalted ones were the word". That is also the proper way to see that line, but I will get into this more when we get there haha.
     
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    So what does this mean with respect to the verses before. It means it was the Exalted ones as well.

    The syllogism is a follows:

    Verse 2:2 of Genesis cannot refer to God because he takes a rest.
    Exalted ones are then what is meant (see earlier discussion).
    If Exalted ones are what is meant in that verse, they are who are meant in the verses before by contextual nature of language.

    And now it's getting crazy, I know. But exalted ones are the central discussion of the Torah from this perspective and the authority Adam and Seth come because they are created in their light/image.

    And so the light created, is what, if the Exalted ones created it? It's referring to the Prophets and Messengers and holy ladies like Sarah and Mary. And this is why Jesus says "before Abraham, I am", meaning blood doesn't matter, really, he is chosen before coming to this world.

    The other possibility is that this verse was changed and the rest part is a distortion, and it's suppose to refer to God. The problem arises with that, why was the 7th day holy then historically.

    But we will see if you keep this in mind, the talk of the tree, serpent and fall of Adam will make sense, and it's not literal eating of a fruit that was the problem, but metaphorically it refers to envy. We will see the talk of the Torah then starts to really get into the issue of envy.

    And so all this would flow, and this is why it makes sense, this is not a distortion, but a way to preserve that exalted ones were the ones meant or otherwise, we wouldn't see the flow and important of exalted ones in the beginning and origin and why we fell and we will see the prayer of Moses' with respect to Aaron and what he said before that, makes all sense in flow of this. All when we get there I will recall this and show the flow.

    Keep the flow in mind.
     
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    No, no, I was commenting on the implication of the story in literal terms. I have no idea whether or not humans are the most complex.
     
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    Fair enough. The creation story is indeed anthropocentric.
     
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    This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.

    5Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. 7Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
    8Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.


    Now this supports what I said lol about metaphor. What is interesting is the addition of the word "Lord". Now we it's re-iterating but now it's about God. While before, it had to be exalted ones because they took a rest.

    So when God made all kinds of trees grow, to me, this is a metaphor of spiritual nature of all things. And central of the garden was the tree of life. If you keep in mind exalted ones, the addition "Lord God" shows that God created the exalted ones who did all that.

    In fact, they are central springs of paradise, the highest rivers, and Imam Jaffar his name literally means "river" "sea" or "body of water". The plural "were" is not necessarily here because tree of life and tree of knowledge are two different things, it can be that it's plural to make reference back to exalted ones and be here why they are a single unit as well.
     
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    The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”


    This is a warning from God, basically, every life form, Adam (a) you are free to compete with, take from all their treasures and put in your soul, including all Angels and Jinn, and all creation, you gain all their treasures, but you can't look at the exalted ones (tree of life and tree of knowledge of good and evil) and want to reach their level. Everything else, you can gain their light and gain their treasure, but if you try to gain the treasure of the exalted ones, you will perish.

    We will see this has been metaphorically veiled to make things easier, and this is part of knot on tongue of Moses, he wishes to reveal the reality of those to come, but God is giving him tools only and is really not being too explicit.

    But if you think about it, what is the tree of life, what is the tree of knowledge, it has to be a living thing, and here it's saying, don't eat of it, meaning don't try to gain their light all together, don't compete, everything else, you can gain their light and consume it that way as in it becomes part of who you are and you gain their treasures.

    I will try to show this when the serpent talks about the exalted ones and we will see how can a chosen one of God fall and be tricked. Because the trick is not easy to defeat. This is why Adam disbelieves in his Lord and the exalted ones for a second, but what the serpent says almost makes sense.
     
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    Okay the next part is a WTF moment:

    18The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”
    19Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.
    But for Adam no suitable helper was found. 21So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and then closed up the place with flesh. 22Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
    23The man said,
    “This is now bone of my bones
    and flesh of my flesh;
    she shall be called ‘woman,’
    for she was taken out of man.”
    24That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.
    25Adam and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.


    I'm sorry but this DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE.

    The problem with a single Human thing is that it doesn't make sense quite frankly, even 2 humans don't make sense,

    1. Because of DNA, we know this is not possible.
    2. Another reason it doesn't make sense to have all been from two parents aside from DNA issues as that would imply incest in the generations to come.
    3. If other humans would come to be so that no incest occurs, than, quite frankly, why not have a bunch of humans to start with.

    In my research, in Quran, I see that it's emphasized that Prophets came from the offspring of Adam as well, which is not needed if we all are offspring of Adam. Bani-Adam (children of Adam) is metaphorical way of saying we are rooted in his leadership, that is all goodness, came from the humans who followed the light of Adam. Bani-Adam means you are meant to follow the chosen representative of God from this sense when talking to all humans, you are meant to be children born of Abraham, born out of Sarah, born of a chosen one from God.

    This is what it means. And even children of Israel are not literally all offspring of Jacob, as Quran says "offspring of those who we carried with Noah"....

    There wasn't just one human, Adam (a) was leading all other humans and was the chosen representative among them, and so when he fell, it lead to the fall of the rest of us humans of that time, and so the consequences was for all humans to today.

    And like wise, Arabs are not all offspring of Ismail. This is not genetically possible, humans don't form tribes like that.
     
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    Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
    2The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ”
    4“You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5“For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

    The first "Did God..." refers back to the Lord God, and Iblis (God curse him) is saying, is it really the true God that said this or is really the exalted ones who you are trusting. And then he begins to be seeds of doubt as to whether the true God said it or not, and does so by, saying, well if you eat of it, you will be "like the exalted ones", knowing good and evil, meaning you will gain their knowledge.

    Here the exalted ones again are interchangeable with the tree of knowledge, but what he's saying, is this something the True God would say because he is saying rather it's the case the exalted ones, who he is accusing of knowing that they forbid them from of eating of it only that your eyes will be opened. Meaning, they say don't try to gain our light and compete with us, only, so that you don't become on par with them.

    Now was the significance of this. If the beginning is as I said, manifesting the exalted ones powers, then Adam and Eve want to become like that, have that much power.

    If they heard this directly from God, there would be no doubt. Was it obvious, is they are doubting the manifested by the exalted ones now and Iblis (God's curse be upon him) is putting enough seeds of doubt to doubt who the Lord truly is.

    In Quran it's said "Your lord didn't forbid you except...", meaning, the God you believe in is an illusion. He is saying the God they attribute saying this, and manifest by power but it's an illusion, is really, really, saying it (the voice that appears to be from God through them the tree of life/knowledge) so they don't become of the abiding ones or the kings and another verse paraphrases it as "will I lead you to a tree if you eat of it you will gain an authority that never goes away".

    Eve (a) is begining to doubt if the God manifested by the exalted ones is the true God. The serpent is appearing to be a sincere advisor to them, and they are very naive.
     
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    When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
    8Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9But the Lord God called to the man, “Where are you?”
    10He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.”
    11And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”
    12The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
    13Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
    The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
    14So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,
    “Cursed are you above all livestock
    and all wild animals!
    You will crawl on your belly
    and you will eat dust
    all the days of your life.
    15And I will put enmity
    between you and the woman,
    and between your offspring and hers;
    he will crush your head,
    and you will strike his heel.”
    16To the woman he said,
    “I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
    with painful labor you will give birth to children.
    Your desire will be for your husband,
    and he will rule over you.”
    17To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’
    “Cursed is the ground because of you;
    through painful toil you will eat food from it
    all the days of your life.
    18It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
    and you will eat the plants of the field.
    19By the sweat of your brow
    you will eat your food
    until you return to the ground,
    since from it you were taken;
    for dust you are
    and to dust you will return.”
    20Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.
    21The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.



    Not too much too comment here.

    Here it seems also, that Jinn born from Iblis are serpent like, they are sly, and can trick humans easily.

    The tree of life is the tree of knowledge, what I understand is furthermore he shouldn't be allowed to also take from tree of life and eat and live forever, but rather, since he did take from the tree of life, he must now taste death.
     
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    I wanted to also show when it says "Lord God" it's referring to God, but when it just says "God", I believe it should be translated as Exalted ones, and the word "Lord" is used to distinction between who God means in the Torah so far.
     
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    Looking at the Hebrew in each circumstance will clarify this.

    Example: I looked at the specific name used by the serpent in Hebrew during the Eve con-job. And it makes sense that you would translate this to Exalted ones.
     
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    Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man.” 2Later she gave birth to his brother Abel.
    Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. 3In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord. 4And Abel also brought an offering—fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast.
    6Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? 7If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”
    8Now Cain said to his brother Abel, “Let’s go out to the field.” While they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.
    9Then the Lord said to Cain, “Where is your brother Abel?”
    “I don’t know,” he replied. “Am I my brother’s keeper?”
    10The Lord said, “What have you done? Listen! Your brother’s blood cries out to me from the ground. 11Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. 12When you work the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth.”
    13Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is more than I can bear. 14Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”
    15But the Lord said to him, “Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16So Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
    17Cain made love to his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch. 18To Enoch was born Irad, and Irad was the father of Mehujael, and Mehujael was the father of Methushael, and Methushael was the father of Lamech.
    19Lamech married two women, one named Adah and the other Zillah. 20Adah gave birth to Jabal; he was the father of those who live in tents and raise livestock. 21His brother’s name was Jubal; he was the father of all who play stringed instruments and pipes. 22Zillah also had a son, Tubal-Cain, who forged all kinds of tools out of bronze and iron. Tubal-Cain’s sister was Naamah.
    23Lamech said to his wives,
    “Adah and Zillah, listen to me;
    wives of Lamech, hear my words.
    I have killed a man for wounding me,
    a young man for injuring me.
    24If Cain is avenged seven times,
    then Lamech seventy-seven times.”
    25Adam made love to his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth, saying, “God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him.” 26Seth also had a son, and he named him Enosh.
    At that time people began to call on the name of the Lord.


    This is a story that lays foundations of all oppression believers face. Adam's envy was not malicious. He wanted to take rank of the exalted ones, but it was a bit malicious in the sense, he doubted the exalted ones and the Lord God they manifested and went astray as a result. When gained knowledge from trying to compete with them and looked into their souls, he also, realized the evil of his envy, and was ashamed. He saw what was hidden while before that, he was innocent and clueless of anything hidden of malice.

    And because he tasted malice, now the trial of all humans began.

    And here this is a story of envy between Cain and Abel, but it's the same today. The pious are hated for believing their actions are accepted while others are not from God. Majority want to sometimes oppress a minority, because the minority is claiming the majority are transgressors.

    This hate believers face from the enviers is something that is a common and repeated theme in Quran.

    The only distortion I see possible here, is that Enoch comes from Cain, while reality he should come from Seth, and also keep in mind "call on the name of the Lord", for that will be important in the next chapter and important with the name Samuel!

    Seth was set by God meaning established by him, and this showing the Images/names of God are to be set by God and not other people. We will see this is emphasized in the next chapter even more!
     
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    Yeah true.
     
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