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Muslims who "think bad" about the ontological argument are shooting themselves in the foot.

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The ontological argument has a strawman version in it in the education system of our times. Anslem meant this and it's easy to understand.

There are levels of existence, and the greatest type is in fact the necessary type. The necessary type cannot but exist by definition. If we can conceive of a necessary being, then we know 100% by it's nature it exists.

Now the fact is imagine billion type of gods similar to one another, and in fact, put all traits, but take away the necessary trait, and the necessary one is greater.

Therefore the real being the necessary one is greater then all imagine ones to be not necessary. And what is necessary by definitions exists.

So that one that exists is by definition greater then all possible beings that can be conceived other then it.

Decartes:

God has perfections, his traits are all perfect. The perfect type of existence is necessary type and equivalent with being necessary.

Therefore if a perfect being can be conceived, it would be known it exists. The same way if you can mathematically understand triangles and their traits, they would always add up to 180 degrees their angles that it is.

So in the same way, the perfect being if can be conceived, would be conceived to be necessary.

Now both of these WERE MEDITATIONS. They were way of reminding BELIEVERS AND TRUTH SEEKERS of how they can see they know for a fact God exists by the very virtue the type of existence is the type that cannot but exist (Necessary), and that's not possible in a possible world for God not to exist.

And in fact, Tawheed relies on the ontological argument, that it takes it for granted that it's true or the proofs for Tawheed also are a form of ontological argument.

If God was not necessary, others gods would be possible with Him. It's because God he is at the level of Absolute existence, that all others are dependent on him. Necessary type is ONE and everything else is possible but cannot exist without the Necessary.

If there can be any life in any possible world without the Ultimate, and that is possible God is not necessary, it's possible gods exist in other worlds then this world.

Tawheed was never about the fact no others gods exist but God, but in fact, that no gods can exist but God. Nothing in any possible world can exist without Him, and no world is possible without Him.

Another way to look at it, is say there was independent existence possible. That it's possible something exists independently of God. If this was case the case, God would not be necessary being. And it happens to be case as well, it goes the other way. If God was not the necessary being, then independent existence would be possible without him.

In fact, the proof for Tawheed and ontological argument go hand to hand and are in fact just different ways of looking at it.
 

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I tried explaining to the trinitarians that they are wrong but they're too stupid to understand.
They understand, they are just stubborn out of love of sticking to their family and society. Be soft, inshallah, they be sincere one day.
 
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