1. Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Featured Muslims Who Praise the Lord Will be Called the Children of God

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by wizanda, Nov 30, 2018.

  1. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2004
    Messages:
    7,208
    Ratings:
    +1,716
    Religion:
    Øneness
    Just to really spin everything upside down, lets deal with the contextual applications expected in the time to come...

    Which basically means to accept the true understanding, we have to reject Judaism, Islamism, and Christianity.

    A Muslim by definition is someone who is a Servant of the God Most High. :heavycheck:

    The Quran tells us not to Praise the Lord (Divine Beings), which is the meaning of Judah. :heavymultiply:

    Judah rejects the God Most High (El Elyon), whilst making their Lord (YHVH) into God. :heavymultiply:

    Yeshua being the Lord of Israel (YHVH), tried to correct Judah back to the God Most High his Father as prophesied (Malachi 4:4-6). :heavycheck:

    Luke 1:32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father, David.


    Yeshua taught that we're to be Servants of the God Most High (Muslims), to be a Child of God. :heavycheck:

    Luke 17:10 Even so you also, when you have done all the things that are commanded you, say, ‘We are unworthy servants. We have done our duty.’”

    Luke 6:35 But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing back; and your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High; for he is kind toward the unthankful and evil.

    The overall point in Yeshua's coming is to see who are Servants & Children of God (EL), that Praise their Lord (Eloh). :heavycheck:

    Hosea 1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel will be as the sand of the sea, which can’t be measured or counted; and it will come to pass that, in the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
    #1 wizanda, Nov 30, 2018
    Last edited: Nov 30, 2018
    • Funny Funny x 1
  2. Faithofchristian

    Faithofchristian Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2017
    Messages:
    6,445
    Ratings:
    +521
    Religion:
    Christian
    But the question is, Who's to come first ?

    Those that do know who is to come first and last, will be the children of God.
     
  3. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2004
    Messages:
    7,208
    Ratings:
    +1,716
    Religion:
    Øneness
    Logos.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
    #3 wizanda, Nov 30, 2018
    Last edited: Nov 30, 2018
  4. Faithofchristian

    Faithofchristian Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2017
    Messages:
    6,445
    Ratings:
    +521
    Religion:
    Christian
    Are you absolutely positively sure about that?
     
  5. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2004
    Messages:
    7,208
    Ratings:
    +1,716
    Religion:
    Øneness
    Nothing came before or after the word of God.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
  6. Faithofchristian

    Faithofchristian Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2017
    Messages:
    6,445
    Ratings:
    +521
    Religion:
    Christian
    I'm not talking about that. What I'm referring to, is at the second coming of Jesus, Who comes first?
     
  7. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2004
    Messages:
    7,208
    Ratings:
    +1,716
    Religion:
    Øneness
    Like from a Christian or a Muslim perspective, I'd first question if you think the Anti-Christ comes first... When both religious commentaries are Anti-Yeshua's teachings in someway.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
  8. Faithofchristian

    Faithofchristian Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2017
    Messages:
    6,445
    Ratings:
    +521
    Religion:
    Christian
    Well if you had listen to Yeshua's teachings, then you would know that the AnitChrist comes first.
     
  9. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2004
    Messages:
    7,208
    Ratings:
    +1,716
    Religion:
    Øneness
    The Wheat (Synoptic Gospels) and Tares (John, Paul, and Simon) were planted at the same time (Matthew 13:24-30).

    Where the Seeds that fell on the Stony (petrodes - a metaphoric pluralization of Peter) ground were misled (Mark 4:3-9).

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
  10. Faithofchristian

    Faithofchristian Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2017
    Messages:
    6,445
    Ratings:
    +521
    Religion:
    Christian
    You honestly can't be serious

    The Tares are those in the world who stand against God and Christ Jesus.
    The Wheat are those who believe in God and Christ Jesus.

    As to how you get John, Paul, Simon and Peter, as I have no idea or clue, how you came by that.
     
  11. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2004
    Messages:
    7,208
    Ratings:
    +1,716
    Religion:
    Øneness
    The Pharisees John, Paul, and Simon taught that through Yeshua's death it counts as an atoning sacrifice; which is what Yeshua challenged the Sanhedrin for, murdering the prophets as atoning sacrifices in Matthew 23:27-38, Mark 7:1-13, and the Parable of the Wicked Husbandman (Matthew 21:33-46, Mark 12:1-12, and Luke 20:9-19).

    The early Church of Jerusalem with James, and the Ebionites (Poor Ones), stood against Pauline Christianity.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
  12. Faithofchristian

    Faithofchristian Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2017
    Messages:
    6,445
    Ratings:
    +521
    Religion:
    Christian
    As for Paul, he didn't become one of the disciples until after the death of Yeshua. And it was Yeshua that chosen Paul as one of his disciples.

    As for John it was Yeshua who chosen John to be one of his disciples. And for Simon Yeshua chosen Simon has one of his disciples also.

    James was one of the disciples who welcome Paul as one of the disciples.

    It seems like what your giving isn't lining up.
    So what your giving doesn't make any sense at all.
    Now why would Yeshua chose Paul, only to go against Paul.
    Why would Yeshiva chose John and give unto John to write the book of 1st 2nd and 3rd book of John as well as the book of Revelation.
    To only go against John later.
    Why would James welcome Paul in as one of the disciples, only to go against Paul later.
    You see what you given isn't making any sense nor what you given lines up with anything.
     
  13. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2004
    Messages:
    7,208
    Ratings:
    +1,716
    Religion:
    Øneness
    Because we have to start in small steps, of recognizing Yeshua stood against the sacrifice of the prophets.

    Then that Paul was a Pharisee teaching like he always did, with a new label of Christianity...

    Then realize we thus can't assume that the authors chosen by the church established by the Pharisees Yeshua stood against is trustworthy (which is what Revelation is about).
    If it was Yeshua who chose Paul; wouldn't their teachings align? Wouldn't Paul quote Yeshua?
    The Gospel of John is not by the disciple John; based on a large percentage of the content, being knowledge only a member of the Sanhedrin could have known - Thus it is most likely Nicodemus who recorded it.
    Simon got sifted by Paul (Luke 22:31-32)...

    This is why Yeshua called him a stumbling stone (petros - Zechariah 3:9), as he followed the ways of man more than God (Matthew 16:22-23).
    The book of Revelation has a totally different writing style to the Letters, and Gospel of John.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
  14. Faithofchristian

    Faithofchristian Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2017
    Messages:
    6,445
    Ratings:
    +521
    Religion:
    Christian

    You said ----> (Because we have to start in small steps, of recognizing Yeshua stood against the sacrifice of the prophets)
    As to where do you get Yeshua stood against the sacrifice of the Prophets?
    Prophet's didn't make sacrifices, It was given to the high priest to make the sacrifices.
    You said ---> (Then that Paul was a Pharisee teaching like he always did, with a new label of Christianity)
    As to where do you get all of this from. It was Yeshua who chosen Paul.
    So if to what your saying to be true, Then Yeshua should be blamed for choseing Paul, knowing who and what Paul was right from the start.

    This is what your saying, for it was Yeshua who chosen Paul to be one of his disciples.


    You said ---> (Then realize we thus can't assume that the authors chosen by the church established by the Pharisees Yeshua stood against is trustworthy (which is what Revelation is about)

    Where are you getting all this from.
    The church establishment had not one thing to do with chosing the Disciples.
    It was Yeshua himself who chosen the
    12 disciples himself.

    As to how you get the book of Revelation as being about ( the authors chosen by the church established by the Pharisees Yeshua stood against is trustworthy (which is what Revelation is about)

    Well it's evidence and plain to see, that you haven't a clue or idea what the book of Revelation is about.

    The book of Revelation is about, the second coming of Yeshua.
    And not about what your trying to say it is about.

    You said ---> (If it was Yeshua who chose Paul; wouldn't their teachings align? Wouldn't Paul quote Yeshua?)
    Well this shows, you don't understand the teachings of Paul's.
    Paul's teachings does line up with what Yeshua said back in the Old testament/scriptures.
    If you understood what Daniel the Prophet wrote and what Isaiah the Prophet wrote and Ezekiel the Prophet wrote and Jeremiah the Prophet wrote and Zechariah the Prophet wrote and
    Amos the Prophet wrote in the book of Amos 3:7--"Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he reveals his secret unto his servants the prophets"
    Therefore it was Yeshua who gave unto his servants the prophets what to write down, As Yeshua gave unto his servant Paul what to write down.
    So everything that Paul written down does line up to what Yeshua given to all his prophets.
    I would still like to know who is telling you all this, knowing that you possibly didn't come up with it all by yourself.
    As for you saying --->( The Gospel of John is not by the disciple John; based on a large percentage of the content, being knowledge only a member of the Sanhedrin could have known - Thus it is most likely Nicodemus who recorded it)
    Everything John wrote was given to him by Yeshua, where or how you come by all this.
    As to how you come by Paul in what your saying
    Here, When Yeshua hadn't even chosen Paul yet to be one of his disciples yet.
    As you said here--->( Simon got sifted by Paul (Luke 22:31-32)...
    This is why Yeshua called him a stumbling stone (petros - Zechariah 3:9), as he followed the ways of man more than God (Matthew 16:22-23)

    Can you give in Luke 22:31-32, exactly where Paul's name being mention of or are you in the habit of putting words in the mouth of Yeshua's.

    As I find no where in all that you given that Paul's name is even mention of.

    Now as for what you said about the book of Revelation you said --->( The book of Revelation has a totally different writing style to the Letters, and Gospel of John)

    Had you read the book of Revelation 1:1-2, you would haved found thst the book of Revelation, is the book of Yeshua and not the book of John.

    Revelation 1:1-2---"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

    2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw"

    Therefore the book of Revelation is not the book of John.
    But the book of Christ Jesus.

    Seeing in everything that you had given and that you said In my opinion.

    This means, in everything that you given is only your opinion, which nothing you gave means nothing, only that you haven't a clue or idea about anything.

    Only that your making a wild guess about things, but have nothing to prove what your saying

    As it is written in the book of
    1 Thessalonian 5:22--"prove all things"

    If your going to speak on Yeshua's word then your called to prove all things, that you say in accordance to Yeshua's words.

    Unto which you haven't proven where's Paul's name is even mentioned of in Luke 22:31-32.
    So how exactly do you get this as being Paul, when Paul's name isn't even made mention of.

    Then people wonder why people criticize the bible and Yeshua, because of people like yourself saying things. That are not found in the bible/scriptures.
    At lease if going to mention Paul, at lease prove where Paul's name is mention.

    Otherwise your just guessing to assume it's about Paul, without any actual proof that it is about Paul.
    So all your doing is taking things out of their context and twisting them into saying what you want them to say, without any actual proof.
     
    #14 Faithofchristian, Dec 1, 2018
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2018
  15. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2004
    Messages:
    7,208
    Ratings:
    +1,716
    Religion:
    Øneness
    Prophets were murdered, and Yeshua challenged that they got turned into some form of atonement after, due to the Pharisaic oral tradition:

    "The death of the righteous can atone for the sins of that generation." - Thus Yeshua deemed this had been used to murder them in the first place.
    As saying small steps, to repeat:
    Plus take into account Yeshua asked for Mercy (Matthew 9:13) and Not Sacrifice (Matthew 12:7) twice to the Sanhedrin; which is explained in Hosea 6:6, and in Hosea 6:9 priests are murdering prophets.
    What you can do with this forum, is select a text area in someones post, and a reply option appears. ;)
    One never makes guesses without a high percentage in evidence, showing a positive equation to begin.
    So tho put 'In my opinion'; it is because will generally show data for our findings, not some other person's opinion.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
  16. Faithofchristian

    Faithofchristian Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2017
    Messages:
    6,445
    Ratings:
    +521
    Religion:
    Christian
    But yet as you say, you can prove, but yet you haven't proved a thing, only you saying this or that, which proves nothing.

    Yeshua wasn't pointing to Simon Peter as the stone, Yeshua was pointing to himself as the stone.

    Have you any idea what Yeshua ment by in Mark 11:21-22
    Seeing that you only quoted half of
    Mark 11,when you should haved quoted the next verse 23, that would haved explained what Yeshua was talking about in Verses 21-22.
    The whole subject in Verses 21-23, is about the fig tree. What does the fig tree represents from the book of Genesis to the book of Revelation.

    Notice in Mark 13:28--"Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near"
    How does the Parable of the fig tree fit into the book of Genesis and all the way down to the book of Revelation.

    Mark 11:21-23---"And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.
    22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
    23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith"

    What does Yeshua mean by ( say unto this mountain, be you removed, and be you cast into the sea)
    You dont actually believe this to be an actual mountain that Yeshua is referring to.
    It's not an actual mountain. In the bible/scriptures, what does a mountain represent ?
    And in the bible/scriptures, what does the sea represent ?
     
    #16 Faithofchristian, Dec 1, 2018
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2018
  17. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2004
    Messages:
    7,208
    Ratings:
    +1,716
    Religion:
    Øneness
    You seem to not be aware there are links in each post, to additional posts explaining many details.
    There are specific types of stone prophecies in the Tanakh, Yeshua is the Chief Corner Stone (Psalms 118, Isaiah 28, etc)... Plus a grinding stone to test the nations with a sieve of vanity.

    Simon is a stumbling stone, a small pebble that can trip people up or make a harvest not grow as it should.
    They can represent a large body of people; yet it all depends on context.
    As just saying the point within the application we're looking at, is Yeshua pointed Simon to the God Most High, and yet Simon followed Man more than God, which is why Yeshua then knew to call him petros, as he foresaw he would mislead people.
    What is prophesied overall is the Son of Man will come, and the whole fake Church shall be like a millstone chucked into the sea (Revelation 18:21).

    In my opinion.
    :innocent:
     
  18. Faithofchristian

    Faithofchristian Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2017
    Messages:
    6,445
    Ratings:
    +521
    Religion:
    Christian
    You seem not to realize that I don't go links, that I only go by what is written in the bible/scriptures.
    So what your saying is, that those links, which are nothing more than man's teachings, over ride what Yeshua has to say in his word.
    But yet Yeshua condemns the teachings of man's in Matthew 15:7-9
    "You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

    8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

    9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men"

    So how is it, that you want me to listen to man's teachings over and above what Yeshua will say in his words.
    So how is this to work.
     
  19. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2004
    Messages:
    7,208
    Ratings:
    +1,716
    Religion:
    Øneness
    The links are our lists of contradictions showing the cases of scriptures, substantiating why John, Paul, and Simon are wrong.

    In my opinion.
    :innocent:
     
  20. Faithofchristian

    Faithofchristian Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2017
    Messages:
    6,445
    Ratings:
    +521
    Religion:
    Christian
    As I heard all about contradictions, and found nothing that contradicts Yeshua's word.
    So it still comes down to what man will say, over and above what Yeshua will say.

    So you believe man and I believe Yeshua will say
     
    • Optimistic Optimistic x 1
Loading...