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Muslims Only: Mawla, Awliya, Wali hard to translate but always clear. Ghadir.

Discussion in 'Same Faith Debates' started by Link, Aug 11, 2022.

  1. Link

    Link Veteran Member
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    Awliya, Mawla, Wali is a very difficult word to translate because it's a unique type of word in Arabic. It means nothing in itself. Let me say it again, it means nothing in itself except that there is some sort of relationship by the word.

    The word is defined by context. Now what is the purpose of such words? It's actually a very good word if you are honest. If you are honest, it means you know exactly what the relationship being implied by context is.

    Now if you say it's a useless word, you might as well disbelieve in Quran, because God uses it in a way to say not to take Awliya from other then him as well as not to take other then him Wali. The former means, that there is "relationship" that can be only established from him, and the latter means he has a unique relationship with creation which includes but is not limited to divinity.

    Allah (swt) Welayat includes that is he our only God but more. The Surah always defines the relationship meant by the word.

    There is different reports of what was said in Ghadeer but the following can't be doubted:

    Quran and Ahlulbayt were mention as something he is leaving us. Now the question, is what is the role of Quran? We know it. Guidance. What is the role of Ahlulbayt in context of Quran. The Prophet (s) says in this context, "Whoever I am the Mawla of". This is contextualized by Thaqalain, he is leaving his family, so they are succeeding him in this role. To give an example of the succession role, he emphasizes on Ali (a) "then this Ali is his Mawla". Believe it or not, if he didn't say "this Ali" while holding his hand, people would say Mohammad (s) meant Allah (swt) who is exalted as well.

    So what is Ali (a) Welayat and why is Ahlulbayt (a) put side to side with Quran? Mohammad (s) complimented the Quran through his Mastership spiritually and politically and socially and religiously, inward light in malakut and outward example, and so this is the context.

    It's a wrong usage of the word "Mawla" if the context does not show what it means.

    If Sunnis say ambiguous, they are accusing Mohammad (s) of not using the word right. It can't be ever ambiguous, even though itself it is of endless potential meanings, the context always defines it, and so Mohammad (s) contextualized it with leaving "Quran and Ahlulbayt" and explained that and reinforced by reminding of how he complimented Quran "Whoever I am mawla of", and then Ali (a) has same Welayat.

    With peace.
    #1 Link, Aug 11, 2022
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2022