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Muslims and Jews: a historical perspective

Monotheist 101

Well-Known Member
Came across an interesting article thought I'd share..

Muslims and Jews: a historical perspective that reveals surprises
Once upon a time, a widely circulated Jewish document described Islam as "an act of God's Mercy".
Also, Jews in the near East, north Africa and Spain threw their support behind advancing Muslim Arab armies.
No, these aren't fairy tales or propaganda. The relationship between Muslims and Jews really was that cooperative and marked by peaceful coexistence.
Just ask Khalid Siddiqi of the Islamic Education and Information Center in San Jose, California where he also teaches Islamic Studies and Arabic at Chabot College and Ohlone College.
Siddiqi notes that the first quote above is from S. D. Goitein's book Jews and Arabs. The second is from Merlin Swartz's 'The Position of Jews in Arab lands following the rise of Islam' (reprinted from The Muslim World. Hartford Seminary Foundation LXI1970).
Swartz also says the Muslim Arab conquest marked the dawn of a new era. Those forces that had led to the progressive isolation and disruption of Jewish life were not only checked they were dramatically reversed.
In an interview with Sound Vision, Siddiqi gave numerous examples of Jews flourishing under Muslim rule in places like Spain, Morocco, North African in general and various parts of the Middle East.
Siddiqi points out that Islam as a religion has given specific guidelines for the followers of Islam to base their relationship with any non-Muslim. These include People of Scripture, like the Jews, people who belong to other religions, and even atheists. Non-Muslims must be treated on the basis of Birr (kindness) and Qist (justice), as referred to Surah 60 verse 8 of the Quran.
It started at the time of the Prophet Mohammad (peace and blessings be upon him)
The peaceful coexistence of Muslims and Jews began at the time of the Prophet.
Siddiqi notes that the Jews welcomed the Prophet when he arrived in Madinah at the time of Hijrah (migration), along with the rest of the city's inhabitants.
But the Prophet had begun the step towards good relations with Jewish and other communities in Madinah even before getting there.
After receiving an invitation to Madinah from one of the city's tribes that had accepted Islam, the Prophet signed treaties with the city's Jewish, Christian and polytheist tribes before he arrived there.
These treaties clearly laid out responsibilities of each of the parties. It was based on these that the Prophet established the Mithaq al Madinah, the constitution of Madinah.
Siddiqi says this was the first constitution of the world and one of the greatest political documents ever prepared by any human being. It is the oldest surviving constitution of any state.
Under this constitution, any Jew who followed the Muslims was entitled to their assistance and the same rights as anyone of them without any injustice or partisanship.
It said the Jews are an Ummah (community of believers) alongside the Muslims. The Jews have their religion and the Muslims theirs. As well, it noted that each will assist one another against any violation of this covenant.
Jews during the Muslim era
Despite this early breach of contract, there are still numerous examples from Muslim history of Muslim-Jewish cooperation and coexistence.
Siddiqi gave examples of how Muslim Spain, which was a "golden era" of creativity and advancement for Muslims was also one for Jews.
While Europe was in its Dark Ages and Jews were reviled there, Muslims in Spain during the same period worked side by side with Jews in developing literature, science and art.
Together, they translated classical Greek texts into Arabic. This task later helped Europe move out of the Dark Ages and into the Renaissance.
Jews flourished under Muslim rule in Egypt as well, where they achieved very high positions in government.
Siddiqi quotes some lines from an Arab poet of that time, to illustrate: 'Today the Jews have reached the summit of their hopes and have become aristocrats. Power and riches have they and from them councilors and princes are chosen'.
Today: the forced expulsion of Palestinians from their homeland has destroyed good Muslim-Jewish relations
So what happened?
Although not the only cause, a large part of the deterioration in Muslim-Jewish relations comes from the emergence of Zionism, the forced expulsion of Palestinians from their homeland by Zionist Jews and British colonizers, as well as their continuing oppression.
Siddiqi says, "while this reaction results in anti-Jewish feeling it must be seen in its proper historical context. It must be remembered that anti-Jewish sentiments in so far as it is to be found in the contemporary Arab world is strictly a modern phenomenon and one that runs counter to the time honored Islamic tradition of fraternity and tolerance.
"The very widespread popular notion that present day Arab-Jewish hostility is but another chapter in a long history of mutual animosity is totally false. If there is one thing the past makes clear it is precisely that Arabs and Jews can live together peacefully and in a mutually beneficial relationship. History also makes it very clear that they are the heirs to the Islamic tradition of openness and tolerance."
The key to reestablishing good relations between Muslims and Jews again is justice, notes Siddiqui. This principle is foreign to neither Islam nor Judaism.
In Islam, standing up for justice, he points out, must be done even if it is against ourselves, our parents, our kin, the rich or the poor. This is clearly mentioned in the Quran (4:135).
Siddiqi points out that the emphasis on justice is also mentioned in Jewish scripture in the prophecies of Michael in chapter three: "Zion shall be redeemed with justice and by those who will come to her with righteousness.
Muslims and Jews: a historical surprise
 

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
Well, I'm going to head to bed pretty soon so I'm not going to fully cover the article. But I think that any objective student of history would agree that Siddiqi is highly selective in order to arrive at his very simplified thesis. In general his thesis seems to idealize Islam as an abode of historical peace and prosperity for the Jews in contrast to their horrific conditions in Christian Europe, and that all this utopian age came to an end with the supposed modern oppression of the Palestinians.
There is a lot to be said just on that. For example, it is not necessarily constructive to boast on supposed peace and prosperity when all you have to contrast it with is with the Church and medieval mob lynching. Jews also experienced oppression by the hands of Muslims throughout history, and Muslim theology has certainly not been completely positive (or even mostly positive) towards the Jews, even from the beginning as opposed to the image that Siddiqi tries to paint.
In addition, Jews are doing very well in western regions, while Jews who immigrated (or expelled) from Arab regions were very poor in comparison.
No, I don't buy the story that 'if only it wasn't for the injustice against the Palestinians Judaism and Islam would have no feud and could prosper together'. From my experience, much of the hatred against Jews has nothing to do with the conflict, which in many cases is simply a catalyst for existing and well nurtured radicalism.

However, I will say that in many Muslim regions Jews might have generally been more accepted, simply because they were not that different from their cultural surroundings in many ways. And in various historical periods there were Jews and Muslims who did prosper together. Saladin and Maimonides for example. And in various points of history Jews did actively fight alongside Muslims against Christian oppressors or crusaders. But the same is true for Jews who fought alongside pre-Muslim Persians against Christian oppressors.
In short, I think Siddiqi is simply ignoring (or ignorant) of the bigger historical picture and reaches the conclusions that will soothe the ears of those who listen to him.
I agree that some periods and regions under Islamic rule were favorable to Jews than some regions and periods in Europe. And I agree that many Jews who lived in the Middle East might have been a more integrated part of the landscape. I also agree that there are certain points in history that Jews and Muslims did prosper and achieved great feats together, but its important to note that at the same period, it's not uncommon that other Islamic groups actively persecute the Jews. So it is wrong to discuss the entire body of Muslim communities as some kind of a welcoming host for Jewish communities.
I also think that today in the modern era, Jews have much more options to prosper in their own country than in the Middle Eastern regions many of them hail from.
For example I can't imagine I'd get the same chances I did in this life, if my family stayed in Morocco, where I would live as a Jewish minority in what is an underdeveloped country.
So, for me, Siddiqi's article needs more meat on it, more angles, more objectivity, more historicity, and less bending complicated periods which stretch for well over a thousand years to his very basic theory. Which may have merit to it, but not in the way he believes. Because it may actually be true that the modern idea that Jews and Muslims are locked in a cosmic battle is a fiction which is casually promoted. But if you asked Mid Eastern Jews and Muslims about it a couple of centuries ago they might have had no concept of what you are talking about. In their eyes they were Ibrahim Ibn Abdullah and David Ben Moshe from neighboring villages, they used to trade together, and possibly slaughter several of their lambs in joint Haflas.
 
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Flankerl

Well-Known Member
If there is one thing the past makes clear it is precisely that Arabs and Jews can live together peacefully and in a mutually beneficial relationship.

If the jews bow with respect and wear distinct clothing so that they may not be confused with muslims of course.


Today: the forced expulsion of Palestinians from their homeland has destroyed good Muslim-Jewish relations

"Today: the forced expulsion of jews from their homes in the arab world has destroyed good Jewish-Muslim relations."


Siddiqi points out that the emphasis on justice is also mentioned in Jewish scripture in the prophecies of Michael in chapter three:

Who?


Zion shall be redeemed with justice and by those who will come to her with righteousness.

Thats actually Yeshayahu 1:27
27 Zion shall be redeemed with justice, and they that return of her with righteousness.
27 Zion shall be redeemed through justice and her penitent through righteousness.
 

Moishe3rd

Yehudi
Came across an interesting article thought I'd share..

Muslims and Jews: a historical perspective that reveals surprises
Once upon a time, a widely circulated Jewish document described Islam as "an act of God's Mercy".
Also, Jews in the near East, north Africa and Spain threw their support behind advancing Muslim Arab armies.
No, these aren't fairy tales or propaganda. The relationship between Muslims and Jews really was that cooperative and marked by peaceful coexistence.
Just ask Khalid Siddiqi of the Islamic Education and Information Center in San Jose, California where he also teaches Islamic Studies and Arabic at Chabot College and Ohlone College. ........
Siddiqi notes that the first quote above is from S. D. Goitein's book Jews and Arabs. The second is from Merlin Swartz's 'The Position of Jews in Arab lands following the rise of Islam' (reprinted from The Muslim World. Hartford Seminary Foundation LXI1970).
Swartz also says the Muslim Arab conquest marked the dawn of a new era. Those forces that had led to the progressive isolation and disruption of Jewish life were not only checked they were dramatically reversed.
In an interview with Sound Vision, Siddiqi gave numerous examples of Jews flourishing under Muslim rule in places like Spain, Morocco, North African in general and various parts of the Middle East.
Siddiqi points out that Islam as a religion has given specific guidelines for the followers of Islam to base their relationship with any non-Muslim. These include People of Scripture, like the Jews, people who belong to other religions, and even atheists. Non-Muslims must be treated on the basis of Birr (kindness) and Qist (justice), as referred to Surah 60 verse 8 of the Quran.
It started at the time of the Prophet Mohammad (peace and blessings be upon him)
The peaceful coexistence of Muslims and Jews began at the time of the Prophet.
Siddiqi notes that the Jews welcomed the Prophet when he arrived in Madinah at the time of Hijrah (migration), along with the rest of the city's inhabitants.
But the Prophet had begun the step towards good relations with Jewish and other communities in Madinah even before getting there.
After receiving an invitation to Madinah from one of the city's tribes that had accepted Islam, the Prophet signed treaties with the city's Jewish, Christian and polytheist tribes before he arrived there.
These treaties clearly laid out responsibilities of each of the parties. It was based on these that the Prophet established the Mithaq al Madinah, the constitution of Madinah.
Siddiqi says this was the first constitution of the world and one of the greatest political documents ever prepared by any human being. It is the oldest surviving constitution of any state.
Under this constitution, any Jew who followed the Muslims was entitled to their assistance and the same rights as anyone of them without any injustice or partisanship.
It said the Jews are an Ummah (community of believers) alongside the Muslims. The Jews have their religion and the Muslims theirs. As well, it noted that each will assist one another against any violation of this covenant.
Jews during the Muslim era
Despite this early breach of contract, there are still numerous examples from Muslim history of Muslim-Jewish cooperation and coexistence.
Siddiqi gave examples of how Muslim Spain, which was a "golden era" of creativity and advancement for Muslims was also one for Jews.
While Europe was in its Dark Ages and Jews were reviled there, Muslims in Spain during the same period worked side by side with Jews in developing literature, science and art.
Together, they translated classical Greek texts into Arabic. This task later helped Europe move out of the Dark Ages and into the Renaissance.
Jews flourished under Muslim rule in Egypt as well, where they achieved very high positions in government.
Siddiqi quotes some lines from an Arab poet of that time, to illustrate: 'Today the Jews have reached the summit of their hopes and have become aristocrats. Power and riches have they and from them councilors and princes are chosen'.
Today: the forced expulsion of Palestinians from their homeland has destroyed good Muslim-Jewish relations
Oh.
Okay.
Let us just skip the previous 500 to 800 years of Arab history between " 'Today the Jews have reached the summit of their hopes and have become aristocrats. Power and riches have they and from them councilors and princes are chosen'" and around 1921 when the British released the criminal, Muhammad Amin al-Husayni from the prison they put him in to take over the Muslim community of Jerusalem and begin his Hitlerian regime of slaughter and terror against both Muslims and Jews....
Well, maybe not.
Maybe one might want to observe the severe and fatal deterioration of Islamic values and the disintegration of Muslim Empires.
One might observe the savage internecine warfare of family and tribe and clan versus family and tribe and clan that destroyed the Muslim/ Arab world for 500 years and THAT CONTINUES TO THIS DAY!
One might take that into account rather than attempting to blame Jews for settling in the Land of Israel and being a minor player in a minor conflict in a minor region of the entire Muslim/ Arab world that has been massacring itself in horrific numbers for well over 300 years....
One might...
So what happened?
Although not the only cause, a large part of the deterioration in Muslim-Jewish relations comes from the emergence of Zionism, the forced expulsion of Palestinians from their homeland by Zionist Jews and British colonizers, as well as their continuing oppression.
Naw.
Complete Blather.
If this were true, then one might expect the rest of the Arab Muslim world to be LESS violent; LESS Hell bent on self immolation, than is the current "Israeli-Arab conflict.

Siddiqi says, "while this reaction results in anti-Jewish feeling it must be seen in its proper historical context. It must be remembered that anti-Jewish sentiments in so far as it is to be found in the contemporary Arab world is strictly a modern phenomenon and one that runs counter to the time honored Islamic tradition of fraternity and tolerance.
This is true.
The Arab Muslim world has devolved over the last few hundred years into a fratricidal culture determined to destroy itself and, other parts of the world, including Jews, if at all possible.
This was going on long before the State of Israel came into being and has markedly increased in its own annihilation in the last 50 years or so.

"The very widespread popular notion that present day Arab-Jewish hostility is but another chapter in a long history of mutual animosity is totally false. If there is one thing the past makes clear it is precisely that Arabs and Jews can live together peacefully and in a mutually beneficial relationship. History also makes it very clear that they are the heirs to the Islamic tradition of openness and tolerance."
The key to reestablishing good relations between Muslims and Jews again is justice, notes Siddiqui. This principle is foreign to neither Islam nor Judaism.
In Islam, standing up for justice, he points out, must be done even if it is against ourselves, our parents, our kin, the rich or the poor. This is clearly mentioned in the Quran (4:135).
Siddiqi points out that the emphasis on justice is also mentioned in Jewish scripture in the prophecies of Michael in chapter three: "Zion shall be redeemed with justice and by those who will come to her with righteousness.
Muslims and Jews: a historical surprise
All absolutely correct.
Just misinformed.
 
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