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Featured Muslim views on Jesus

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Prometheus85, Sep 15, 2019.

  1. Prometheus85

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    I’ve been told that Muslims don’t worship “the same god’ as others do, which doesn’t make sense to me because it implies that there is more than one god. I’ve also been told that Muslims don’t believe Jesus was the son of god so they reject Jesus. I think a better way to say it is that we don’t all understand God in the same way.
     
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  2. Jollybear

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    Jesus made claims about himself and taught certaun things by which muslims reject.

    Muslims have there own version of who jesus is. They reject jesus version of himself.
     
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    i love jesus :):):):):):):):):):):):)

     
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  4. ChristineM

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    A Muslim worships the same abrahamic god as hebrew and christian.

    Jesus was a holy prophet/ messenger of god
     
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    Terry Sampson Well-Known Member

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    Quotations from
    QURAN ENGLISH TRANSLATION
    Clear, Pure, Easy to Read
    Modern English
    Translated from Arabic by Talal Itani
    Published by ClearQuran
    Dallas, Beirut

    See attachment below.
     

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  6. Wasp

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    The same god as others or the same God as Jews and Christians?

    They worship the God of Abraham. That they don't worship the same God probably doesn't mean there's more than one God but that the God is viewed as different.

    They reject Jesus as the son of God.
     
  7. Terry Sampson

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    Think so, d'ya?

    • Genesis 3:8 They heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 Then the Lord God called to the man, and said to him, “Where are you?”
    • Genesis 12:1 Now the Lord said to Abram,
      "Go forth from your country,
      And from your relatives
      And from your father’s house,
      To the land which I will show you;
      2 And I will make you a great nation,
      And I will bless you,
      And make your name great;
      And so you shall be a blessing;
      3 And I will bless those who bless you,
      And the one who curses you I will curse.
      And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.”
    • Genesis 17:1 Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him,
      “I am God Almighty;
      Walk before Me, and be blameless.
      2 “I will establish My covenant between Me and you,
      And I will multiply you exceedingly.”
      3 Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying,
      4 “As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you,
      And you will be the father of a multitude of nations.
      5 “No longer shall your name be called Abram,
      But your name shall be Abraham;
      For I have made you the father of a multitude of nations."
    • Exodus 3:1. Now Moses was pasturing the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian; and he led the flock to the west side of the wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. 2 The angel of the Lord appeared to him in a blazing fire from the midst of a bush; and he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, yet the bush was not consumed. 3 So Moses said, I must turn aside now and see this marvelous sight, why the bush is not burned up.” 4 When the Lord saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!” And he said, “Here I am.” 5 Then He said, “Do not come near here; remove your sandals from your feet, for the place on which you are standing is holy ground.” 6 He said also, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” Then Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God.
    • Exodus 13:17. Now when Pharaoh had let the people go, God did not lead them by the way of the land of the Philistines, even though it was near; for God said, “The people might change their minds when they see war, and return to Egypt.” 18 Hence God led the people around by the way of the wilderness to the Red Sea; and the sons of Israel went up in martial array from the land of Egypt. ... 20 Then they set out from Succoth and camped in Etham on the edge of the wilderness. 21 The Lord was going before them in a pillar of cloud by day to lead them on the way, and in a pillar of fire by night to give them light, that they might travel by day and by night. 22 He did not take away the pillar of cloud by day, nor the pillar of fire by night, from before the people.
    • Exodus 19:18 Now Mount Sinai was all in smoke because the Lord descended upon it in fire; and its smoke ascended like the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mountain quaked violently. 19 When the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder, Moses spoke and God answered him with thunder. 20 The Lord came down on Mount Sinai, to the top of the mountain; and the Lord called Moses to the top of the mountain, and Moses went up. 21 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, ..."
    • Isaiah 6:1 In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train of his robe filled the temple. ... 4 And the foundations of the thresholds shook at the voice of him who called, and the house was filled with smoke.
    Check with the Muslims and see if they can cite a verse from the Qur'an in which Allah spoke directly to a human being and said "I". Let me know, if and when you do, what you find out, ... please.
     
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    What the hell has the bible to do with Islam?
     
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  9. Terry Sampson

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    Calm down. To compare the Qur'an's Allah and the Yahweh who spoke with Adam and Eve, Abraham, Moses, and Isaiah, somebody's going to have to look in the Bible someday, as well as in the Qur'an. I figured you wouldn't, so I looked for you. And I invited you to see if a Muslim would look in the Qur'an. You don't have to, of course. But until you know how the Qur'an describes Allah's interactions with humans and how the Bible describes Yahweh's interactions with humans, your claim that "A Muslim worships the same abrahamic god as hebrew and christian." is wishful thinking.
     
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    Looking through the replies, I thought it would be helpful for you and maybe others to know what the muslims think about this (If this is what all muslims believe, I honestly have no clue about :)):

    The Creation story


    Jesus in the Quran


    Jesus and the crucifixion


    About the holy trinity


    You can find a lot of videos here about what muslims believe and don't believe about a whole lot of things:

    Let the Quran Speak
    Let the Quran Speak
     
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  11. MikeDwight

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    Its only fair to this thread to make the arguments a Muslim makes. There's only One god, not a Triune, and if you think there's three pieces of a God, then you're one of those ancient polytheists, you're still a Roman/Greek Pagan, or even the Zoroastrians I guess. All those quotes of Jesus in the Quran must be a 1/4th sample, of course such fundamental difference must be some total misquote of Jesus in support of Mohammad 600 years later. All I ever look at is the Zoroastrian Persians and Byzantines had led an exhausting war with each other and the Mohammad followers out of Mecca took an opportunity in the 600's for the equal power of the middle-eastern persons whom felt oppressed by the Christian empire. Egypt, Armenia, Ethiopians, already weren't listening to the Creeds, Nicene, Apostle's, Chalcedonian, or the Emperor's announcements, so no telling how that would have panned out otherwise.
     
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    So they Do not worship the same God. Jesus was The Son of God, part of the Godhead. Ol´ Mo when borrowing from Christianity decided to make some changes in what had been taught for 600 years. He apparently was not capable of understanding who God was, perhaps his guide lead him astray.
     
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    Pastek Sunni muslim

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    There's so much verses I'll just put few even though I don't understand what you try to do :


    20.11 And when he came to it, he was called, "O Moses,
    20.12 Indeed, I am your Lord, so remove your sandals. Indeed, you are in the sacred valley of Tuwa.
    20.13 And I have chosen you, so listen to what is revealed [to you].
    20.14 Indeed, I am Allah . There is no deity except Me, so worship Me and establish prayer for My remembrance.

    20.17 And what is that in your right hand, O Moses?"
    20.18 He said, "It is my staff; I lean upon it, and I bring down leaves for my sheep and I have therein other uses."

    28.30 But when he came to it, he was called from the right side of the valley in a blessed spot - from the tree,
    "O Moses, indeed I am Allah, Lord of the worlds."


    20.67 And he sensed within himself apprehension, did Moses.

    20.68 Allah said, "Fear not. Indeed, it is you who are superior.*

    *Against Pharaoh
     
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    26:67 Then did they spit in his face, and buffeted him; and others smote him with the palms of their hands,

    26:68 Saying, Prophesy unto us, thou Christ, Who is he that smote thee?

    (Matthew)

    So this is God ? So different from the Old Testament
     
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    I'm trying to collect information about Allah and his interactions with humans as they are recorded in the Qur'an. Thanks for your contribution.
     
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    They reject Jesus version of himself? What does that mean?

    Muslims regard Jesus as a prophet. This isn’t hard Jollybear

    Muslims don’t reject the Bible. They believe Jesus was not the son of God but still a prophet just like just like Muhammad.
     
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    Islam and Christianity are apart of the Abrahamic religions. All Abrahamic religions worship a single god
     
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    You mean a part? Then of course. I didn't say otherwise.
     
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    That's not true. They reject the Bible as a whole - and most of it in parts.
     
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    This means Jesus claimed to be the Son of God. It means he claimed to give his life as a ransome for our sins. He claimwd to resurrect. Muslims reject his claims.

    Jesus claimed to be more then a prophet. Mathew 16:13-19

    "When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”

    They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

    “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

    Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

    Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven".

    Muslims REJECT Jesus claim here. This isnt hard prometheus.

    Yes, muslims DO reject the bible. What is the Muslim View of the Bible?

    Muslims do not believe Jesus claim to be the Son of God, or the ransome for sin and the resurrection.

    Jesus made it very clear that those who did not believe his claims, not muslims version of who jesus was, would be condemned.

    John 3:18

    "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son."

    John 6:40

    "For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."

    John 3:16

    "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

    Mark 10:45

    "For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

    John 11:25-27

    "Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

    “Yes, Lord,” she replied, “I believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”

    And theres more! But, i regress!
     
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