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Featured Muslim man sentenced to death for blasphemy in Pakistan

Discussion in 'Religious News' started by danieldemol, Oct 24, 2020.

  1. danieldemol

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    'Lahore, Oct 21 (PTI) A Pakistani court on Wednesday sentenced a Muslim man to death and imposed a fine of USD 3,085 on him for blasphemy in the country’s Punjab province.

    Amin, a resident of Layyah district which is some 400 kms from here, was arrested a few years ago on his neighbour’s complaint that he had committed blasphemy.

    A district and sessions court of Layyah handed down the death sentence to Amin and also imposed a fine of 500,000 Pakistani Rupee (USD 3,085) on him.

    Additional Sessions Judge Hasnain Raza sentenced him to death in the light of prosecution witnesses.'

    Read more here: Muslim man sentenced to death for blasphemy in Pakistan
     
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  2. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    I suppose the person can appeal to higher courts. Also, it should be possible to declare his regret. It is something between him and Allah. As for the law, Pakistan does have death punishment for blasphemy.

    Recently, the Pakistan Army abducted a dissenting Inspector General of police in Sindh and all police officers in the province resigned in protest. Now, army has instituted an inquiry. So, anything can happen in Pakistan and it should be no surprise.
     
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  3. Cooky

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    The integrity of the great Allah and his prophet (PBUH) must be protected by the government. In the meantime, the U.S. donates 6 billion dollars a year to the great nation of Pakistan in support of it's draconian policies. Keep up the good work, Pakistan!
     
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  4. Lyndon

    Lyndon "Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
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    total BS, why do you have to make up nonsense, the 6 billion given to Pakistan was over 11 yrs not per year; look it up
     
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  5. Valjean

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    Is Allah so delicate or insecure he can be injured by a word? Were his injuries so grievous that the man must be killed?

    I'd be more injured by the rude gesture of an ant on my driveway than the creator of the universe could be perturbed by the combined firepower of all the armies on Earth.

    What a bunch of moral imbeciles. Is their faith so easily shaken that the slightest question threatens to topple the whole edifice?
     
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  6. SeekerOnThePath

    SeekerOnThePath On a mountain between Nietzsche and Islam

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    Abrahamism is anti-Anthropomorphic, that is why it exists in the first place.
    Of course, share a vague article that doesn't explain anything. I'd like that actually know something rather than something so lacking in information, such posts are fundamentally worthless.

    The circle jerks in these threads are of course to be expected from such people.
     
  7. SeekerOnThePath

    SeekerOnThePath On a mountain between Nietzsche and Islam

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    Abrahamism is anti-Anthropomorphic, that is why it exists in the first place.
    Trying to find other articles reporting the same thing that actually explain what happened and it's not a fruitful search so far.
    And they all have the same copypasta.
     
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    Please outline a situation where such a sentence for such a "crime" might be justified.

    How is blasphemy a crime?
     
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  9. SeekerOnThePath

    SeekerOnThePath On a mountain between Nietzsche and Islam

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    Abrahamism is anti-Anthropomorphic, that is why it exists in the first place.
    Blasphemy is a Catholic concept that doesn't make any sense, but does rely by definition on the idea of a central infallible institution like the Papacy (something absent from the Pakistan or any Muslim-majority country, which are simply independent countries doing their own thing) for such a concept to actually etymologically and semantically be a thing.

    This is beside the point I'm making that this is a nonsense article that doesn't explain anything. I genuinely would like to actually hear about the situation rather than this shock value clickbait circle jerk garbage.
     
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    In the abstract, death for blasphemy makes sense. The greater the dignity possessed, the more grave offenses to that dignity become. If God possesses infinite dignity then an infinite retribution is appropriate. That God cannot be harmed by our offenses against him is irrelevant. It remains nonetheless a dereliction of the piety we owe to God. An injustice which demands rectification.

    In practice, empowering the civil authority to exact revenge on behalf of God is a terrible idea. It can only lead to abuse and injustice. Pakistan is a great example of such. The way to deal with blasphemy is to implore the repentance and conversion of the offender. Because blasphemy like any other sin hardens the heart and renders the perpetrator numb to the graces necessary to save the soul. It is not God we hurt by sin, but rather ourselves.
     
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  11. SeekerOnThePath

    SeekerOnThePath On a mountain between Nietzsche and Islam

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    Not at all related to the nonsensical article in the OP, but this article: Blasphemy and the death penalty: Misconceptions explained - DAWN.COM
    Explains quite well a lot of the problems wit the situation in Pakistan and the way it is horribly misrepresented in western media.

    And again, setting aside how inapt such a term (again the English, Catholic term "Blasphemy") is and how problematic such a use actually is because what it really is - is projecting the Shadow of Western Christian history (yes Protestants did it too) onto Muslim-majority countries and the individual decisions of their governments (ultimately just another version of capital punishment which exists in the USA anyway), and acting as if such an inapt likening fits (and Religio-fying it to be about Islam), when it doesn't fit and just doesn't work the way you wish it did.

    And a comment related to that article I have read follows: The Madhab of the majority of Pakistanis does not support death for blasphemy by non believers but somehow the Pakistani state and Pakistani people do. As well as the Hannafi Madhab is the only major Madhab to have developed in areas where other religions/ideologies were prevalent... So naturally was forced to be lenient in this regard. Where the other Madhabs were stricter because for them it was a theoretical Question while for the hannafis it was a practical Question as well.
     
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    It is not God that is putting the man to death, it is the Muslims. God is not at all susceptible to getting His feelings hurt by humans, in spite of what the Bible says. :rolleyes:
     
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    IMO:

    Many people have problems interpreting Holy Scriptures in God's (loving) way:
    1) Thou shall not kill
    2) Thou shall not blaspheme
    3) Kill those who blaspheme

    The first is the most important, hence:
    a) The third is not from God
    b) The third is a test from God to expose barbarian vs. humane behavior
    @stvdvRF
     
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    I should think infinite dignity would be absolutely imperturbable.
    * Is the injustice against God, or against some other entity?
    * Who has been harmed? For that matter, is 'justice' consequential, or deontologic?
    * What makes it society's business to extract retribution? You acknowledge that God cannot be harmed by our actions, so what harm is being vindicated? What is retribution supposed to accomplish?
    * Piety owed to God? Who determined this? How does this piety benefit God? How is God hurt by its withdrawal?
    * Do all who withhold piety from Allah deserve death -- Christians, Buddhists? Parsis? Animists? Atheists?
    * What has the blasphemer to repent for? Why should he convert? Don't the Muslims condemn conversion, inasmuch as it entails apostacy?
    * Should you, a Catholic, be killed for your impiety toward Isis, or Thor, or Allah?
    * What makes blasphemy a sin? Is heterodoxy itself a sin? Is deviance from every religion's doctrine a sin? If so, what of contradictory doctrines? Eg: You say the Catholic god is real, a Buddhist says no god is real, the Navajo say the Diyin Diné are real. Which one sins? Aren't they all heretics in the eyes of the others? Can all of them be legitimately punished?

    Or is the sin just a thought-crime, an idea the neighbors find disturbing? Does God not allow freedom of conscience?
     
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    And what are we to do with the barbarians, once identified?
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    Is there a translation of the Charge Statement for us to read, please?
     
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    I see advantages in the heart hardening of blasphemy, & the
    consequent numbing to graces. It is the awakening from a
    dream state of belief in phantoms, & dwelling fully in the
    material world.
     
  18. danieldemol

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    We all wish the article had more detail, but the fact remains that an innocent life is at stake. We know enough to know it was a non-crime (blasphemy) and that its sentence was death. That is enough to begin intervention in order to save an innocent life, we can't really afford to lethargically wait for fine details to emerge to start complaining
     
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    IMO:
    First: Do not call them barbarians otherwise they might believe they are, and then it's very difficult to reverse their behavior
    Next: Teach them that they are humans with barbarian behavior which they can change into humane behavior

    Put it daily in all the newspapers for as long as needed to have them brainwashed (washing dirt/killing out)
    I think it would be good in Middle East of course but IF Macron started doing this in France is a good start

    (I think Charlie Hebdo and Macron might both agree that such a note on the front page is useful and needed. Maybe @ChristineM could write to them giving this suggestion (I might do it also, if I can find a mailaddress); at least then we have one useful msg in the newspapers. I do think it might take a few years before 1000 years of "kill brainwash" is washed out, hence better to start early. OF course they might think such a msg is a waste of precious space to put on the front page, as it is not as "hot" and disastrous and sensational, which news nowadays seems to must be, but I think it is the Dharmic thing to do; not mentioning the name Muhammad, just focus on the killing issue)
    @stvdvRF
     
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    The Muslim religion is a very primitive one... I can't even comprehend how some people follow this religion...
     
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