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Featured Muslim intellectuals, activists condemn Paris beheading; demand abolition of apostasy and blasphemy

Discussion in 'Religious News' started by danieldemol, Nov 1, 2020.

  1. danieldemol

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    This article is six days old now, but well worth a read in full:

    Muslim intellectuals, activists condemn Paris beheading; demand abolition of apostasy and blasphemy law

    Muslim intellectuals and activists, speaking at a webinar on Sunday, condemned the Paris beheading of a school teacher, Samuel Paty, by an 18-year-old Muslim fanatic, Abdullakh Anzorov.

    The webinar was organised by the Indian Muslims for Secular Democracy (IMSD). Moderated by its convener, Javed Anand, all four panellists are office bearers and prominent members of IMSD.

    In his introductory remarks, Anand stated: “We are here to condemn in unequivocal terms, no ifs and buts, not only the man responsible for this barbaric act but all those who had any role in the instigation of the crime as also all those who seek to justify it. We are here not just to condemn the slaying of Mr Paty, but also to demand the abolishing of apostasy and banishing of blasphemy anywhere and everywhere across the world”.

    Read more here: Muslim intellectuals, activists condemn Paris beheading; demand abolition of apostasy and blasphemy law
     
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    I am happy that muslims around the world take a firm stands against those evil deeds that has been done in France. Muslims have to stand together and condem action of evil done toward others or self.
     
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    I'm also happy that there are Muslims who take a public stand so that the people who say "why don't the Muslims speak out against this" are silenced, and I can relax also that everyone else is doing the hard work that I'd never do!
     
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    Now, only if more Muslims rise up and call towards the abolish of other inhumane practices incorporated in the religion and calls towards reformation of Islam as a whole.

    Islamic laws and jurisprudence are derived from 7th century books, completely misaligned with modern values. Such outdated laws are bound to create trouble when someone with evil intents projects his own feelings and opinions on it and use it as a tool to justify his/her evil.
     
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    A strong Islamic reform would just require some organizations to develop and intelligently manipulate what they can to match up with modern standards and practices and laws, by also using and appealing to these past things people are attached to. Islam is disorganized mainly, but that disorganization then lends itself to forceful organized efforts that make themselves seem authoritative regarding things. There is so much Islamic writing, it is more than likely some people will be able to find just about anything to justify whatever at all they might want and put things in order to appeal to more modern standards and policies.

    Not something I'll be able to do though. I'd never "come out" as a Muslim anywhere or associate with any religious group or organization, or even be able to read through all that stuff I consider total crap (like medieval jurisprudence stuff), though I think Islamic laws and jurisprudence is generally more interesting and less offensive overall than the Hadith collections.
     
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    Muslims have to make a bunch of Indian guys stand in front of the firing squad for a few more things while they are at it, namely, tell everyone that Muslims are against terrorism, but also against crime, bullying, female genital mutilation, child brides, pederasty and pedophilia, forced marriages and family marriages, incest, abuse of the elderly and mentally ill, unjustified war and violence, loudness, yelling. Also PLEASE STAND AGAINST DUMB LOOKING GOAT BEARDS, OMG! Bring back the Islamic Mustache!
     
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  7. stvdv

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    Great to read this finally. Should be repeated daily in all newspapers to brainwash those who believe the opposite

    And when leaders, like the ones in below youtube stop saying the sick opposite, only then, the needed Charlie Hebdo cartoons won't be needed
     
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    In a way we should be happy that quite a few Muslim Prime Ministers still advocate indirectly the violence publicly. Doing this they have lost the fight completely, because what they do is too absurd for words, and the Western countries who still accept Islamophobia to be the problem here, should feel shamed as well

    So, these Muslim leaders who still boycott France over blasphemy do the world a favor, and pave the road to end craziness in name of Islam
     
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  9. Aupmanyav

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    That is probably the best way to succeed for a politician in many Muslim majority areas and countries. Webinars, eh!
     
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    Islamophobia IS a problem. But Islamist fundamentalism is also a problem. Both can be true. There is nothing shameful about recognizing it.
     
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    But Islamophobia is not the problem HERE (in the terrorist attacks in France)
     
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    It is if you condemn all of Islam for them, or stereotype Muslims as terrorists or dangerous. That single incident is part of a much larger context of the relationship between Islam and the West.
     
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    The issue here is "fighting extremism", I love Islam/Muhammad but I fight extremism

    AND

    Muhammad came to me in a vision; talking about pictures
     
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    The issue here is that people take these incidents and use them to condemn all of Islam/Muslims as violent. Muslims in the West have been attacked and killed simply because they are Muslim due to this kind of thinking. Which is just as frightening, if not more so, than these individual attacks by Muslim extremists. If you're against extremism, I would think that would just as deeply concern you.

    I would recommend the book American Islamophobia by Khaled Beydoun for some reading on this topic.
     
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    I just follow the OP, and the article mentioned in the OP is very clear about what the issue is.
    There is no excuse to resort to such barbaric acts in France. Or do you still see an excuse?
     
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    No one in this thread is giving an excuse for the attack. What I said from my first post is that both Islamist fundamentalism and Islamophobia are without excuse. Do you disagree?
     
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    IF in a court there is a criminal who committed a robbery THEN the judge will not start talking about other criminals who are raping girls

    Here the crime is killing. IF you start a new thread about Islamophobia THEN I will tell you what I think about that (Deo Volente)
     
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    Actually the thread is about how Muslims have condemned this attack and want to abolish laws against apostasy/blasphemy.

    You want the focus to be on how this attack is so bad this attack is so bad this attack is so bad.

    Yes. This is attack is so bad. Muslims are telling you: this attack is so bad. We're all in agreement.

    Now what?

    We have seen this script before. A crazy Muslim does something crazy and attacks people, everyone sane (including Muslims) condemns the attack, and then we see a segment of society who want to spread the idea that these attacks are representative of Islam or Muslims as a whole. And then we see discrimination, and even counter-attacks, against innocent Muslims because of this bigotry.

    If you want to completely decontextualize this attack and pretend the issues involved are not interconnected, that's your choice. But I think most people can see that these things are historically and culturally related. Thus why I said:

    Both Islamist fundamentalism and Islamophobia are problematic and dangerous. And both should be condemned.
     
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    No

    No

    I agree to disagree on this
     
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    Hmm. Isn't it?
     
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