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Mundane vs Supra-munade

Discussion in 'Seekers Circle' started by Amanaki, Oct 2, 2019.

  1. Amanaki

    Amanaki Well-Known Member

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    The Noble Eightfold Path has been described as containing two strands;

    1. Mundane Noble Eightfold Path
    2. Supra-mundane Noble Eightfold Path
    1: is the know 8 fold path we know from Buddhist teaching
    2: Is to cultivate the Jhana in the teaching.

    The common Buddhists do not often study the supra-mundane at all whereas those who cultivate mind and body on a deeper meditative level of wisdom will often come across the teaching of Supra-mundane.

    Supramundane Jhāna

    The climax in the development of insight is the attainment of the four supramundane paths and fruits. Each path is a momentary peak experience directly apprehending Nibbāna and permanently cutting off certain defilements. These defilements are generally grouped into a set of ten „fetters“ (samyojana) which keep beings chained to the round of rebirths. The first path, called the path of stream-entry (sotāpatti) because it marks the entry into the stream of the Dhamma, eradicates the first three fetters - the false view of self, doubt, and clinging to rites and rituals. The disciple who has reached stream - entry has limited his future births to a maximum of seven in the happy realms of the human and heavenly worlds, after which he will attain final deliverance. But an ardent disciple may progress to still higher stages in the same life in which he reaches stream-entry, by making an aspiration for the next higher path and again undertaking the development of insight with the aim of reaching that path.

    Link to info is here. JHĀNA AND THE SUPRAMUNDANE
     
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    So, the samyojana are Buddhism's "10 deadly sins", no?
     
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    No :) it is not sinning, it is attachments we would have to let go of before full enlightenment is realized :)
     
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    Dhyāna, fwiw, Paul talked about it in Heb 5. Abarham had this phenomenon naturally.
     
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    Some very highly spiritual people do enter Jhana as soon they sit down in meditation, so yes Abraham, if he knew about Jhana meditation, would be able to realize enlightenment
     
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    In the West terminology was lost, Gnostics practiced it, it was not by the Church. "he fell into a trance" is only remnants of the practice remains.
     
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    Gnostic teaching within Christianity, Jewish and probably Islam is the cultivation of mind and body Buddhism speak about in my understanding.
     
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    Unity of practice of what works and idea.
     
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    The best "result" comes when a cultivator only follows one teaching at the time, and not mixing in teachings from other paths. If he/she do realize enlightenment, then it is possible to cultivate another path to realize even higher truth.

    For example, in Buddhism there is as I write two forms of 8 folded path. the first one is the one spoken about in Buddhism all over the earth, the second is the supermundane 8 folded path.(cultivation of jhana)
    But one must have realized the first part before going into the supermundane 8 folded path.
     
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    If anyone tries to 'deconstruct' Gospel of Matthew they would see 8 folded path and instructions for transcendental meditation.
     
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    This is the 10 attachments that are let go of when cultivating righteous in Buddhism
    But there are other form of attachments that will be let go of too. Greed, Anger, Jealousy, dispare, hate, and so on.


    1. Sakkaya-ditthi, self-illusion or personality belief

    2. Vicikiccha, skeptical doubt

    3. Silabbata-paramansa, belief in rules and ritual

    4. Kama-raga, sensual craving

    5. Vyapada, ill will

    6. Rupa-raga, craving for substance

    7. Arupa-raga, craving the insubstantial

    8. Mana, conceit

    9. Uddhacca, restlessness

    10. Avijja, ignorance

    Here is the second "list" of attachments that needs to be let go of in the cultivation of Buddhism.

    1. Lobha, greed
    2. Dosa, hate
    3. Moha, delusion
    4. Mana, conceit or pride
    5. Ditthi, speculative views
    6. Vicikiccha, skeptical doubt
    7. Thina, mental torpor
    8. Uddhacca, restlessness
    9. Ahirika, shamelessness
    10. Anottappa, unconscientiousness
     
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