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Multi Faith Social Conservative Movement UK

Discussion in 'European Politics' started by yoda88, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. yoda88

    yoda88 New Member

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    In the UK it looks like Christians, Muslims and other religious people are facing a shared threat to their way of life from the liberal establishment (for example government enforced LGBT indoctrination of children and the threat of exclusion from the professions and public life for those with sincerely held religious convictions in this area). Given demographics in the UK I am interested whether people on this forum think there is any scope to organise a coalition across religious divides and to speak with one voice in the defence of religious freedom and traditional family values. I believe both the Christian and Muslim communities in the UK are too small to make an impact on their own but together and with other social conservatives they could be a large enough voting block to put pressure on the government take a less aggressive stance on this issue.
     
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  2. Rival

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    You'll be hard pressed even to find truly strong Christians in this country and if you do, they're unlikely to be best friends with Muslims or Baha'is or Jews. Jews and Muslims aren't known for their strong bonds either. It's unlikely to work and I'm convinced GB's religious traditionalist population is in terminal sickness.
     
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  3. Left Coast

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    In my experience so far, the vast majority of folks on this site support LGBT rights and oppose discrimination against them, even the right wingers. You'll probably have to look elsewhere.
     
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    You could try to find yourself "friends" with the subset of neo-nazi, neo-masculinist and TERFs who hate women and sexual and gender minority people more than they hate non-christians. There are quite a few who would be ready for such an alliance of conveniance, but don't expect it to last very long. I would rather suggest you let go of your ignorance and hatred and those people; it's more sane, productive and human in the long run.
     
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    ‘threat to their way of life’. ???
    What way of life are you talking about? Being mean?
     
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    No being oppressive. Mean and oppressive are related concept, but they aren't the same things. :p
     
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    You may want to try Christianforums.com as they are more conservative on social issues. ;)

    Personally I would like more conservatives on the forum, ideally to provide a thoughtful counter-balance that can criticise many of the assumptions liberals take for granted and reign them in some times. Religiousforums.com site is however solidly liberal and Pro-LGBT. Regrettably, we seem to have lost many of it's Muslim members in recent years. I imagine you will struggle to get your message across even if you are substantive and reasonable thinker on the issue.

    Nevertheless, welcome to the forums and best of luck in your endeavours. I hope you will stay with us for at least a little while and get to know the place for yourself. I hope we will extend the same courtesy and get to know you and give your views a fair hearing. :)
     
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  8. Amanaki

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    I think you will find that some topics are better left unspoken about in this forum :) I learned my lesson a bit to many times because I tend to ask the "wrong" questions to the "wrong" people, but you get a hang of it soon :) but don't be afraid of asking. Hope you will challenge the members with good questions :)
     
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  9. Saint Frankenstein

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    You mean "traditional Abrahamic family values" as the Abrahamic religions are the only group of religions with bigotry towards LGBT people written into their sacred texts. I have rather traditional family values myself but fail to see what homophobia or transphobia have to do with it.
     
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  10. danieldemol

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    Muslims and Christians don’t have a shared concept of a traditional family if you take polygyny into account.

    As noted by others it will be better for you to discuss why you hold these outdated views than attempt to bash us with the law.

    Welcome to RF
     
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    I wonder what's the attitude of modern olympianism toward sexuality, childhood, familly and women's rights.
     
  12. Saint Frankenstein

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    It's just worship of the ancient Greek gods. It's not an organized religion and so views will vary. Obviously the Greeks were fine with homosexuality and gender variance. They were very patriarchal, though.
     
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    @yoda88 -

    Why aren’t you a little green creature with big ears and a large laser saber?
     
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    I think religious conservatives should live how they want to live and let other folks do the same.
     
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    They support them
    How do I trust him on my children

    I mean who support LGBT
     
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    A question for you about "traditional family values." Is it good enough that most people share them, but some are oriented differently and live their lives accordingly? Or do you find it necessary that everybody should conform?

    I mean, I'm just curious why, if you, and your neighbours for 20 blocks around, are all living your "traditional family values," you find that some others might be enjoying their lives a different way uncomfortable. What frightens you about that?
     
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    Are you implying that children are unsafe around LGBT people?
     
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    I'm not sure that I accept your premise; there is no 'LGBT indoctrination of children', if you mean that children are taught about the sort of families that a modern 21st century country contains, then yes they are taught about same sex relationships. It is highly possible that some parents at their school are in such a relationship - they need to be taught that it is acceptable and normal.

    What you propose is not religious freedom, it is religious privilege. Special rules for people who have faith. This is 2020, we rely on science and reason, not faith, superstition and ancient scripts.

    I know people in same same sex relationships who have children, very happy children in a loving family environment; I much prefer their family values than the type you are suggesting, one that is full of hate.

    What is aggressive about teaching about loving relationships in a school classroom? It is the protesters outside these schools who are the aggressors, intimidating young children and their caring staff and parents.
     
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    I've been actively involved in this forum for over 3 years. Despite being an adherent of a religion that is quite conservative when it comes to sexual values, RF has been a good place to hang out, learn about religion and meet a diverse range of people.

    I live in New Zealand that has many similarities to the UK. First, any kind of political party that has promoted traditional family values has not been successful here. Second, as a Baha'i I don't involvement myself in partisan politics. In regard the LGBT community, the best approach as a Baha'i is to love all people and to see the positives in others and not the negatives. So while I believe in the God of Abraham who has revealed laws about sexual behaviour it is for me to follow those laws and to build positive relationships across the community, LGBT included without distinction.
     
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  20. HonestJoe

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    The problem is that they don’t have a single viewpoint within any given religion, let alone across them. It’s a misrepresentation to suggest that Christians and Muslims generically face issues in this area since it’s only a subset of any given religion that actually opposed the kind of things you’re talking about and only a subset of those whose objections reach the level where they flatly refuse to accept them.

    There are plenty of cross-faith groups, events and campaigns, though they generally have more positively focused aims like combatting violence and unifying mixed communities. Building this kind of thing on the basis of proscribed rules against ideas, concepts and practices is generally much more difficult and tends to lead to internal disputes and mixed messages.
     
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