Multi-Beings

[1nharmony]

But are " YOU " always the focal point ? Yes , the Mind is our focal point . Everything that we relate to , we do so through our Mind . But that could lead one to assume that there is nothing but the Mind . That is not as far fetched as it may seem , as there are those who say just that . In fact I once thought along those lines .

You are always You because that is how your Mind sees you . The Ego . Which can be a trap my friend , as it holds you to the Mental . Or it can ground you too .

General statement : The Three Reality thing works for me now . But I do wonder what will happen when and if they ever balance to the point of becoming ONE ? Or will they split into more " realities "? This is just a journey .

It is easy to acknowledge our physical world by our senses. And we recognize our mental "reality" by our thoughts. By what sense or value do we "prove" the existence of the spiritual realm? Are spiritual qualities, thoughts, beliefs........is all this just another aspect of the Mental Reality? What distinguishes the Spiritual Reality from the Mental? It seems that it is necessary to first "escape" the Mental Reality through meditation or psycho-tropic drugs in order to enter the Spiritual realm. Which would put the Spiritual Reality in the category of an altered state of mind, or level of consciousness.

The three Realities are distinct from each other, such that they cannot meld into one. The question again, is, what is the point of balance? How can one determine when one has achieved physical, mental and spiritual harmony? In a world where change is constant, this point may not exist, kreeden. Have you considered that? Life is an ongoing process. And the search for nirvana, enlightenment, heaven or "balance", like life itself is ongoing.


If I may, I would like to suggest some books that have been useful to me. The author is Kenneth Meadows and the first title I recommend is Earth Medicine. If you find that one helpful, then you will be interested in his other titles including Where Eagles Fly and The Medicine Way.

I forgot to mention this before, but now is good. A previous boyfriend of mine once brought home a young raven he had taken out of its nest. We raised it on jackrabbit meat, among other things. We called him "Bo" and he was pretty cool. He learned to repeat the one thing he heard most often from us which was "Hi, Bo!" You had to be careful when working on anything mechanical, because he would snatch a nut or bolt and stash it somewhere. He also "helped" in the garden by pulling up anything we planted. The funniest thing he ever did was fly up to the neighbors roof and ride round and round on the attic vent! Crazy bird he was! But way cool.

 

[kreeden]

YmirGF : Someone on a forum I visited had a sig that read " The Truth is too big for any one religion " { or something like that }. Was it this forum ? I can't revall , but I do believe the truth in that statement . And if the Truth is too great for any religion , then it would be too much for any one person , I would think . So I agree wholeheartedly .

But I most say that I wasn't making much sense to myself , so I can't see how I was making sense to anyone else .. I agree that this isn't a debate ... well , not an open debate . But it is somewhat of a personal debate at times . I'm just trying to get " my part of the truth " straight , if you know what I mean ?

And yes I do understand about your cats .


ES : Specialized fields of training . I like that .



1nharmony : Don't get me into Chaos vs Order ... please . I do agree with what you say though . Life is change . But " balance " is like keeping one's balance on a ship at sea . Always changing , but witout it , you may end up on your butt ...

Kenneth Meadows has an interesting take in things . I have only read his book " Shamanic Experience ". Personally I perfer to try and get closer to the source ... I feel that it allows me to find my own Way . However , listing to another's Way can sometimes help .

Take you for your story about Bo . Yes , they can be clowns at times .


BTW a part of what I was trying to say earlier is that the Spiritual often takes form in the Physical . Cats , Ravens , even in the shapes of clouds at times . Personally I perfer the term " level of consciousness " { or awareness } to " altered state of mind " { or reality } . Perhaps this " multi-being " thing has no meaning what-so-ever other then me trying to explain chaos in an orderly matter ? But it does answer many questions for me ... appearently not all mean you , but most .

 

[EnhancedSpirit]

BTW a part of what I was trying to say earlier is that the Spiritual often takes form in the Physical . Cats , Ravens , even in the shapes of clouds at times . Personally I perfer the term " level of consciousness " { or awareness } to " altered state of mind " { or reality } .

I agree with you completely on this point. I do believe that the One True Source is in EVERYTHING. And everything around you is a reflection of your True Self. Everywhere are reminders, set in place for the soul purpose of your awakening, or becoming aware, of the One Source.

Those who are not 'aware' will only see a possum, tearing up their trash, those who are aware, will know the 'possum' has a messege, something to help you remember more of the TRUTH. This also applies to every person you meet. It can also be a symbol of some sort, something that 'moves you'. The source is in constant communication with your Spirit, it might be through pictures, or in a book you're reading, a line in a movie, or in the next stranger you meet. He truly does work in mysterious ways. And our awareness depends on becoming unattached to the phyical world as we know it, and focusing just beyond what our eyes can see, our ears can hear, and our hands can touch.

 

[kreeden]

1nharmony , perhaps I am trying to " balance " too much ? I'm not sure if that is what you were getting at or not , but yea , I think so .

Making order out of chaos . Defining multi-dimensional concepts from a two dimensional perspective .... I don't know . This is going to take some looking at .

YmirGF , I'm afraid that you are a little deep for me this morning . I know that your post wasn't directed to me , so I guess it doesn't much matter . But yea , the " Realities " aren't pieces of ... whatever . They flow through each other , intermixing ... Hmmm , like I said , this is a little deep for me this morning .

I have been using the Triquetra as a smybol for my concept of the three realities . { and for some reason I can't post an image this morning } . But they aren't sperate little chunks of " awares ". They don't act like fresh water flowing over salt water . They flow through one another . Sorry , that is the best that I can do for now ...

ES , I agree that the Spiritual runs through everything . And everything is symbolic . But I also believe that sometimes that critter in the trash is just a hungery possum . Of course we can make more of it .... perhaps if our need is great enough , we can bring the Spiritual out ? But there is also the question of imagination . If the need is great enough , we always find what we are searching for , one way or another .

That is something that has always bothered me , and is the reason I am always questioning myself . A friend once told me that we can always tell the difference between the Spiritual and imagination , but can we ? Hell , most of us can't tell the difference between Love and lust .... I was going to say that is a bad excample as all we have to do is to be honest with ourselves . But no . If the need is great , then it becomes very hard to be totally honest .

Sorry . I don't think that was said very well . Actually much that I have been saying hasn't been said well . But I have a story that explains what I am trying to say there . A few years ago I decided to try and find my " Totem ". I had a good idea what he was , but wanted to " make sure ". So U decided to perform a " Vision Quest ". One day while going over items I had gathered for the quest , I had the feeling that I was being watched . I truned around and there , looking in a window at me , stood my " Totem ". Now the thing is , if I had performed the quest I would have wondered how much of that was my imagination . I'm just like that . But this " vision " left tracks in my back yard . He knew me . And honoured me by giving me physical proof that he had been there . Something that he knew that I would need .

So I have to disagree with your last statement about becoming unattached to the physical world . We spend most of our lifes in the physical world . And if the Spiritual doesn't have an effect on that , what good does it do us other then to give hope for immortality ? Ok , that isn't quite what you were getting at , but I do believe that ... well , all three " realities " do enteract with one another . And one is as important as any of the others .

But I am very much a creature of the Earth . So my opinion may not hold true for all . And I would like to thank all of you for partaking in this thread .

 

[1nharmony]

1nharmony , perhaps I am trying to " balance " too much ? I'm not sure if that is what you were getting at or not , but yea , I think so .

Maybe just trying too hard. I don't know. To me life is much simpler than we make it.

Making order out of chaos . Defining multi-dimensional concepts from a two dimensional perspective .... I don't know . This is going to take some looking at .

Perhaps we are working too hard on this and actually creating chaos instead.

If the need is great enough , we always find what we are searching for , one way or another .

Sometimes without really knowing what we are looking for, we still find it.

But I am very much a creature of the Earth . So my opinion may not hold true for all . And I would like to thank all of you for partaking in this thread.

You know yourself well enough to know where you will find your answers. You are looking in the wrong place, dear kreeden. Go out into nature; you will find what you are looking for.

 

[kreeden]

Sometimes without really knowing what we are looking for, we still find it.

Man , ain't that the truth . I am going to have to walk away from this , to get a fresh look at it . And you gave very good advice about getting out into nature , 1nharmony . I have not had or made the time to welcome the return of spring , and it has been bothering me . The Trumpeter Swans have came and gone already , and I haven't even seen one except from my car as I drove by . So I went out today and watch the Osprey fish . It helped .

{ may add a pic later ... }