Muhammad

[King Phenomenon]

I just read on Wikipedia that Muhammad married a six year old. I wasn't expecting to read that.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I just read on Wikipedia that Muhammad married a six year old. I wasn't expecting to read that.

I would not use Wikipedia as a fact checking tool anyone can add info there.

But that said, i do not know who Muhammad married

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I would not use Wikipedia as a fact checking tool anyone can add info there.

But that said, i do not know who Muhammad married

As long as one checks rhe sources used, Wiki can be just fine.
His young wife's name was Aisha.

 

[firedragon]

As long as one checks rhe sources used, Wiki can be just fine.
His young wife's name was Aisha.

So what is the source you checked out?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So what is the source you checked out?

I didn't need to. Aisha was Muhammad third wife, who was also his youngest and a child at the time, still a few years from puberty.

 

[firedragon]

I didn't need to. Aisha was Muhammad third wife, who was also his youngest and a child at the time, still a few years from puberty.

So you didn't check any sources but blindly believed "wikipedia" but you tell others "as long as you check the sources", yet now you say "I didn't need to".

Sorry but that's a strange position with the dissonance.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So you didn't check any sources but blindly believed "wikipedia" but you tell others "as long as you check the sources", yet now you say "I didn't need to".

Sorry but that's a strange position with the dissonance.

I didnt check any sources on this (including Wiki). Its something I know. Checking not required. (Your free to do so yourself and verify my statement, however)

 

[Spirit of Light]

In the time of Muhammad the puberty was the sign of when someone went from childhood to adulthood.

If we look at Europe about the same time kings could Marry 12 year old girls, so it is not that Muhammad was a sick pervert, it was common to Marry in a young age many places.

 

[firedragon]

I didnt check any sources on this (including Wiki). Its something I know. Checking not required. (Your free to do so yourself and verify my statement, however)

You know because this is a famous story, not because you actually know. You have heard it frequently and you blindly believed it. Simple.

Anyway I can tell you that it is very highly disputed, and different sources provide varying stories. Its just that you are not aware. First, the Shi'is believe that Aisha was a loose woman who had bad character before marrying Muhammed. You didn't know this. Are they saying a child had bad character? They believe she was sleeping around a lot before marrying Muhammed. This is because of political differences but this is what they say.

Also there are so many conflicting stories about her, about Muhammed and about her sister. The more authentic sources or older stories about Asma her sister shows that she was 10 years older than Aisha and that Aisha was at least 18 or 19 at the time of marriage.

The story you are referring to taken from the Bukhari ahadith is narrated by Aisha's nephew and re narrated by Farabri, then written down maybe around 5 or 6 centuries after Muhammed. There is scholarship that says the Sunni Muslims at this time were not very happy the Shias were calling Aisha a promiscuous woman before marrying Muhammed so someone reduced her age so much that there is no possibility of making those claims since she was a child and is not logically possible.

There is a lot of scholarship on this matter. What you have done is have blind faith on what you hear.

Cheers.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Yeah I figured there'd be debate on facts just like in Christianity. They probably even debate Mohammed's ownership of slaves and how he apparently treated them.

If muhammad did have slaves, he probably did not treat them any worse then other "unknown" slave owners. It was common at that time to hold slaves or low graded workers if you like that word better.

Vikings hold slaves, greeks har slaves, so it is not unik og Muhammad har servants too

 

[Spirit of Light]

Looks like Mohammed is one statue we're not going to be taking down.

Of course. No religious founder or true spiritual teacher should be removed, spit on, harrased or made to look like a demon.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You know because this is a famous story, not because you actually know. You have heard it frequently and you blindly believed it. Simple.

Do you always make such grandiose assumptions and put your own "what you want it to be" into the words of others?

 

[Spirit of Light]

After reading that my perspective of Mohammed has changed

Honestly i doubt that. But i wish people did read and studied the spiritual scripture to understand and learn about the founder of religions or spiritual practice , instead of listening to todays false claims that pop up all over the world.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Of course. No religious founder or true spiritual teacher should be removed, spit on, harrased or made to look like a demon.

Thise who had child brides, had slaves, demanded death for apostacy, contempt for women, amd preaches intolerance and hate, those sorts deserve no respect (and that doesn't just apply to Islam), and their followers have been some of the most monstrous and demonic humans in history.

 

[firedragon]

Do you always make such grandiose assumptions and put your own "what you want it to be" into the words of others?

Okay. In that case name your source and your analysis. All you say is "You just know" as if you are 1500 years old.

Anyway since you ignored the whole post and focused on a single statement it shows your intent so I see no point in discourse.

Have a great day.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Thise who had child brides, had slaves, demanded death for apostacy, contempt for women, amd preaches intolerance and hate, those sorts deserve no respect (and that doesn't just apply to Islam).

If you do not want to respect religious founders that is up to you. Itake The teachings as the important in their life. A lot of negative stories has been er added after their death, so personally i do not listen to all of the man made storries about spiritual founders.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Okay. In that case name your source and your analysis. All you say is "You just know" as if you are 1500 years old.

Anyway since you ignored the whole post and focused on a single statement it shows your intent so I see no point in discourse.

Have a great day.

No, you never actually read what I said. All I did was provide a name. You, however, took it upon yourself to assume I dont know, to assume I checked wiki, to just assume Ive only heard the story and havent looked into it.
I shant be giving you any sources. Many of them are scattered about on RF. Some are books I have. A few are websites.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Does JC pass your test?

Due to his bits of eternal fiery furnaces and darknesses for failure to believe, and some other stuff but mostly because of that no. Love isn't my way or the highway, get it right the first time or youre screwed.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If you do not want to respect religious founders that is up to you. Itake The teachings as the important in their life. A lot of negative stories has been er added after their death, so personally i do not listen to all of the man made storries about spiritual founders.

Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. Wonderful teaching.

 

[firedragon]

No, you never actually read what I said. All I did was provide a name. You, however, took it upon yourself to assume I dont know, to assume I checked wiki, to just assume Ive only heard the story and havent looked into it.
I shant be giving you any sources. Many of them are scattered about on RF. Some are books I have. A few are websites.

Too vague.