Muhammad spread his religion and peace with the minimum human loss

[Shad]

As I said, you missed the point quite decisively.

Since you are not responding I am going to dismiss your comment as empty.

 

[psychoslice]

The heading of this thread is soooooo wrong, totally wrong.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Paarsurrey are u revert or born muslim?
Peace

Just preserving this post where Servant admits that Paarsurrey is a Muslim for posterity.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Also Robert Spencer, in a history about Muhammad, deliberately omitted the first 13 years of cruel oppression, torture and murder the Muslims had been exposed to in a deliberate attempt to make the reader think the Muslims started the fighting when they were oppressed in Mecca for 13 years.

This flies in the face of the fact that the Meccans tolerated Muhammad berating their religious beliefs for 13 years. If they were intolerant enough to oppress, torture & murder the Muslims they were surely intolerant enough to prevent them from preaching (what would be to the Meccans) intolerant gibberish in the first place. The fact that Muhammad was allowed to continue gaining followers over the course of a decade suggests that this violent victimisation (which appeared in the histories as a result of Muslim revisionism) may not be all it appears.

 

[Jedster]

[QUOTE="Kirran, post: 5070610, member: 56297"
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As for the Baha'i's focus on the treatment of animals - they'd be vegetarian then, wouldn't they.

EDIT: This is spinning off the discussion in your loyalty to humanity thread.[/QUOTE]

POI
A Bahai friend has told me that one of their prophets (I think it was Bahá'u'lláh) said that all humanity will eventually become vegetarians and that we are not yet ready.

 

[Kirran]

POI
A Bahai friend has told me that one of their prophets (I think it was Bahá'u'lláh) said that all humanity will eventually become vegetarians and that we are not yet ready.

Ah yeah, I've heard that! That's cool - one would think his followers would hasten to fulfil that.

 

[Jedster]

Ah yeah, I've heard that! That's cool - one would think his followers would hasten to fulfil that.

So, have you been monitoring the eating habits of Bahais?

 

[Kirran]

So, have you been monitoring the eating habits of Bahais?

Not closely! But I know plenty are not vegetarian.

 

[Jedster]

Not closely! But I know plenty are not vegetarian.

Actually, I now remember the conversation I had about vegetarianism and I went away with the impression that what Bahá'u'lláh meant was that peoples' consciousness will rise and they will end up being vegetarian, eventually.

 

[Vinayaka]

Not ready? Just when will you be ready then? Too much like 'tomorrow never comes' syndrome.

Of course you're ready . Everyone is ready. Many are just too scared of something to take that step.

 

[Jedster]

Not ready? Just when will you be ready then? Too much like 'tomorrow never comes' syndrome.

Of course you're ready . Everyone is ready. Many are just too scared of something to take that step.

It wasn't me that said that.
I was stating how I understood what Bahá'u'lláh said.

 

[Vinayaka]

It wasn't me that said that.
I was stating how I understood what Bahá'u'lláh said.

Yes, I know. Sorry if you misunderstood.

 

[loverofhumanity]

[QUOTE="Kirran, post: 5070610, member: 56297"
.....
As for the Baha'i's focus on the treatment of animals - they'd be vegetarian then, wouldn't they.

EDIT: This is spinning off the discussion in your loyalty to humanity thread.

POI
A Bahai friend has told me that one of their prophets (I think it was Bahá'u'lláh) said that all humanity will eventually become vegetarians and that we are not yet ready.[/QUOTE]

That's not a law. But we are told man is not meant to eat meat.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Ah yeah, I've heard that! That's cool - one would think his followers would hasten to fulfil that.

This is only one quote about meat. There are many more.

“Truly, the killing of animals and the eating of their meat is somewhat contrary to pity and compassion, and if one can content oneself with cereals, fruit, oil and nuts, such as pistachios, almonds and so on, it would undoubtedly be better and more pleasing”

Excerpt From: Compiled by the Research Department of the Universal House of Justice. “Health, Healing and Nutrition, a Compilation.”

 

[Vinayaka]

So. L of H, are most Bahai vegetarian?

 

[loverofhumanity]

This flies in the face of the fact that the Meccans tolerated Muhammad berating their religious beliefs for 13 years. If they were intolerant enough to oppress, torture & murder the Muslims they were surely intolerant enough to prevent them from preaching (what would be to the Meccans) intolerant gibberish in the first place. The fact that Muhammad was allowed to continue gaining followers over the course of a decade suggests that this violent victimisation (which appeared in the histories as a result of Muslim revisionism) may not be all it appears.

The fact they had to flee as refugees to Abyssinia where a Christian king granted them asylum shows their true plight. And the fact they were granted asylum shows the king was apprised of their true situation, one of oppression and utmost cruelty, and he refused to hand them over even though the Meccans were allies.

Every Prophet of God is persecuted. Christ was crucified and Baha'u'llah was exiled for forty years. Muhammad was no different.

 

[loverofhumanity]

So. L of H, are most Bahai vegetarian?

I'm trying to be and find it's a gradual thing where I enjoy natural stuff more than meat. I'm loving soy milk much more than cows and things like beans I enjoy a lot more than a steak.

I remember when I visited the Hare Krishnas and has Lasse and prashadam, that was the best vegetarian food I tasted in my life.

I believe Baha'is promote it and as we grow Bahá'í's will promote it in restaurants they own and it will eventually become universal. I certainly wouldn't kill an animal for its meat- never ever.

 

[Vinayaka]

So, are most Bahai vegetarian? I couldn't find any stats, and thought you might know.

 

[loverofhumanity]

These were Madrassas thus religion. Which Christians and other civilization did centuries before.

IA lot of scientific knowledge wwas passed on from the Arabs to Europe and the west. Universities, algebra, astronomy, the concept of a constitution, nationalism. The list is endless of Islamic contributions to the world too numerous to list here. Encyclopedias and historians have recorded these things so they can be referred to.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Is it really? The native people's of North America, due to the European Invasions, had much of theur knowledge erased by the gun. Knowledge of herbs, of nature, of cultivars, of a loving God and gods, and more. Isn't that a great loss to humanity? In some aspects we've been losing ground, not gaining ground. All because of aggressive egocentric points of view wiping out knowledge.

Yes I fully agree that was a backward step but that's not to say we won't from our mistakes and try to correct these injustices.

But we Bahá'í's are told that if the native Indians of North America can change the entire world they are so spiritually endowed. And that still stands so all is not lost.