Mother wanted to teach son to trust cops, but they give him a brain injury.

[Nakosis]

Too often, cops expect immediate unconditional obedience.
When they don't get it, the response is of the "they had it
coming" variety.
Instead, they should have the attitude....
How can I get the necessary & legal
compliance with a minimum of coercion,
thereby serving the populace?

Unfortunately the world isn't they way it "ought" to be.
IMO, solutions have to be practical to the world we actually live in.
Having only gotten a concussion I would consider a successful interaction with the police.
I've seen worse. Many from articles you have posted.

 

[Revoltingest]

Unfortunately the world isn't they way it "ought" to be.

There are ways to improve things...
- Eliminate immunity for cops, prosecutors, & judges.
- Better screening & training of cops.

 

[Nakosis]

Bad idea to use "obey" as an
unconsidered default.
Know when & how to be quiet.

Sure, I'll wait for you to post an equal numbers of articles when being disobedient has been successful.

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Not only do you have to successfully navigate the police encounter, you then have to succeed in a court of law where the legal system is most often stacked against you.

 

[Nakosis]

There are ways to improve things...
- Eliminate immunity for cops, prosecutors, & judges.
- Better screening & training of cops.

When they have been improved, lets talk.
For how many thousands of years has authority been abused?

 

[Revoltingest]

Sure, I'll wait for you to post an equal numbers of articles when being disobedient has been successful.

The usefulness of various responses to cops
isn't dependent upon proportions of posted
articles about results.

More is learned from failure. In this example,
an innocent good samaritan talks to the cops
during an interrogation without getting a lawyer
or invoking her right to remain silent.
Cops weren't looking a reason to exculpate her.
They wanted a reason to prosecute. She made
a mistake in one claim, & that sealed the deal.
Know when to be silent.

 

[Revoltingest]

When they have been improved, lets talk.
For how many thousands of years has authority been abused?

Improvement won't happen without talking
about illegal acts by cops, & designing
solutions.
If everyone licks cops boots upon being
ordered to do so, nothing will change.

 

[Nakosis]

The usefulness of various responses to cops
isn't dependent upon proportions of posted
articles about results.

More is learned from failure. In this example,
an innocent good samaritan talks to the cops
during an interrogation without getting a lawyer
or invoking her right to remain silent.
Cops weren't looking a reason to exculpate her.
They wanted a reason to prosecute. She made
a mistake in one claim, & that sealed the deal.
Know when to be silent.

Yes, should have talked to an attorney before going to the police but this is an entirely different situation from the OP.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, should have talked to an attorney before going to the police but this is an entirely different situation from the OP.

The cops violated her rights by continuing
the interrogation after her request for a
lawyer was tacitly denied. Her mistake
was talking to them at all.
Grade school civics classes should train
people how to best interact with cops.

 

[Nakosis]

Improvement won't happen without talking
about illegal acts by cops, & designing
solutions.
If everyone licks cops boots upon being
ordered to do so, nothing will change.

Best to talk about it after the encounter. When you are not at the mercy of the cop having a bad day.
Maybe the milk in their coffee was spoilt that morning.
You never know.

 

[Revoltingest]

Best to talk about it after the encounter. When you are not at the mercy of the cop having a bad day.
Maybe the milk in their coffee was spoilt that morning.
You never know.

I don't know why it seems that
you're arguing, or against what.

 

[Father Heathen]

It's sad how society has been groomed to blindly trust and hero worship military and law enforcement, where the knee-jerk reaction is to deflect, distort, dismiss, downplay, etc. any report of abuse or misconduct, which enables rampant corruption.

It's Pavlovian conditioning, where their boots trigger salivation.

 

[Nakosis]

The cops violated her rights by continuing
the interrogation after her request for a
lawyer was tacitly denied. Her mistake
was talking to them at all.

Right, can't count on the cops to be considering your best interests.

Grade school civics classes should train
people how to best interact with cops.

Rule one, obey first. Sue later.

 

[Nakosis]

I don't know why it seems that
you're arguing, or against what.

I'm not arguing. I'm just pointing out, IMO, the best way to deal with an encounter with the police.

 

[Revoltingest]

Right, can't count on the cops to be considering your best interests.

Which means non-cooperation at times.

Rule one, obey first. Sue later.

Rule 2: Know when to violate Rule 1.
Disobey orders to answer questions or
divulge information.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm not arguing. I'm just pointing out, IMO, the best way to deal with an encounter with the police.

You over-simplify.

 

[Nakosis]

You over-simplify.

I'm a simple guy.

 

[Nakosis]

Which means non-cooperation at times.

Rule 2: Know when to violate Rule 1.
Disobey orders to answer questions or
divulge information.

Ok, well let clarify my point.
One can obey physical instructions and remain silent.
Though I'd recommend at least identifying yourself.
Not necessary but one risk going to jail at a minimum if you are suspected of any crime.
Police can hold you for 3 days without charging you.
So obey physical instructions.
Identify yourself.
Ask if you're suspected of a crime.
Ask if you are being detained.
Ask for a lawyer before answering any further questions.

Still an entirely different situation from the one in the OP which I responded to.

 

[Revoltingest]

Ok, well let clarify my point.
One can obey physical instructions and remain silent.
Though I'd recommend at least identifying yourself.
Not necessary but one risk going to jail at a minimum if you are suspected of any crime.
Police can hold you for 3 days without charging you.
So obey physical instructions.
Identify yourself.
Ask if you're suspected of a crime.
Ask if you are being detained.
Ask for a lawyer before answering any further questions.

Still an entirely different situation from the one in the OP which I responded to.

Don't always identify yourself.
It's not legally required of you unless cops
can articulate a crime being committed.
Judge when to identify yourself a bad idea.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Thoughts?

Yeah. The son got a valuable lesson, but not the one mom expected. Mom was wrong that the police should be trusted, especially if one is neurodivergent.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yeah. The son got a valuable lesson, but not the one mom expected. Mom was wrong that the police should be trusted, especially if one is neurodivergent.

That is the word I wuz looking for!
But I might still use "neuroatypical" too,
despite the spell checker sneering at it..