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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by PopeADope, Jan 10, 2018.

  1. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    Is there any Goddess that there is more people reporting visions of and alleged miracles from than the Virgin Mary?

    I can't think of any devotional that has more miracles related to it than the Holy Rosary
    Miracles Linked to the Rosary | The Holy Rosary | ANF Articles

    In 1858 in the grotto of Massabielle, near Lourdes, France, the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared 18 times to Bernadette Soubirous, a 14 year old peasant girl. She identified herself as The Immaculate Conception. She gave Bernadette a message for all: "Pray and do penance for the conversion of the world." The Church investigated Bernadette's claims for four years before approving devotion to Our Lady of Lourdes. Lourdes has since become one of the most famous shrines, attracting more than a million pilgrims each year. There have been thousands of miraculous cures at this shrine.

    A Medical Bureau was established in 1882 to test the authenticity of the cures. The doctors include unbelievers as well as believers and any doctor is welcome to take part in the examination of the alleged cures. As many as 500 medical men of all faiths or no faith have taken advantage of the invitation each year. Many books and movies tell the story of Lourdes. Even Hollywood made a movie of this remarkable event in the 1940's entitled "The Song of Bernadette" which won six academy awards.
    Miracles of Lourdes

    Mary allegedly left an image on Juan Diego's tilma that led to the conversion of the Aztecs and played a large role in the conversion of South America to Catholicism. Scientists say it is not explainable scientifically how the image got on the cactus fibers.
    Our Lady of Guadalupe - Wikipedia
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    Mary has allegedly been Appearing regularly at Medjugorje
    Our Lady of Medjugorje - Wikipedia

    Mary appeared to thousands in Egypt. "The apparitions were also witnessed by President Gamal Abdel Nasser,[5] and captured by newspaper photographers and Egyptian television. Investigations performed by the police could find no explanation for the phenomenon. No device was found within a radius of fifteen miles capable of projecting the image, while the sheer number of photographs from independent sources suggests that no photographic manipulation was involved. Having been unable to produce an alternative explanation for the luminous sightings, the Egyptian government accepted the apparitions as true.
    Our Lady of Zeitoun - Wikipedia

    A miracle was promised that would take place October 13th 1917 in Fatima Portugal. Roughly 70 thousand people, many of them Communists and Freemasons said they had a vision of the Sun doing weird things and plunging down on the crowd. Of course nothing happened to this sun, but apparently a vision was given to the crowd
    Miracle of the Sun - Wikipedia

    The medal of the Immaculate Conception, which was designed after the Virgin Mary appeared to Catherine laboure and told her to have a medal struck up after the image she saw, became known as The Miraculous Medal because of all of the Miracles linked to it
    Miracles of the Miraculous Medal | Our Blessed Mother | ANF Articles
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    And the list goes on and on

    I'm just wondering if there are similar reports of such phenomenon coming from any other goddess or Deity besides Yahweh himself?

    Is this all just a product of the human imagination running wild? If so, what a powerful and influential tool the imagination can be. ;)

    Countless people live by the messages of these apparitions... Where is this influential force coming from?

    It seems it was destined to be. At Fatima Mary allegedly warned of the rise of Communism in Russia and the coming of World War II in advance, and said it was a consequence of sin.

    If World War 3 happens, I'm sure somebody will have a Marian apparition that speaks about it in advance.

    Many Marian apparitions (like lasallete and pontmain) are linked to world events and the fate of the world in general.

    It is a mystery what causes these messages and appearances. Whatever the cause, they have influenced and changed how many people live their life...so there is no denying that it is a powerful force in our world.
     
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    Delusions of illusions and mythology can be a real powerful force in people's lives, but they are not real. Anecdotal claims of 'mystery' is simply dodging reality.

    By the way more recent research then 1882 have seriously question miraculous claims of healing.
     
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    As far as I'm concerned, my main question would be does such beliefs make one a better person.

    People claim miracles all the time, I personally doubt that most or any of them are real, but I ain't the final judge on this that can say for sure that they're fabrications. As a "mature" scientist :rolleyes:, I have learned never to say "never", thus respecting our limitations as scientists.

    As I've mentioned several times before, I'm probably one of the least superstitious people on the planet, and yet I experienced somethings over almost a two year time-period that shook me up so much that I began to doubt my own sanity (be nice!). I can't even begin to explain what happened and why in any kind of scientific or rational way. That's led me to believe that "Something" is involved that's way over my head to even begin to understand. What a humbling experience that has been.
     
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    A few comments on 'Our Lady of Guadalupe. The exact details of the original vision that came so soon after the conquest of the New World are not easy to uncover, (not only are the ancient records in disagreement, but the preserved image of our Lady of Guadalupe is hard to analyze scientifically), but it is clear that this devotion to Mary was an intrinsic part of the acceptance of the Christian gospel by Mexican Indians. The Mary of Guadalupe was portrayed in the ancient garb of the mother of the deities whom the Indians had worshiped before Christianity. The Indians were able to see that not all that had previously served them as religion had to be rejected, there was continuity between the old and the new. (Why would this be thought of as insignificant when the NT shows us how important it was for the first Jews who accepted the gospel to insist to themselves that the Father of Jesus was truly the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and that Jesus himself was consonant with the Law and the Prophets?
    The Mexican Indians were reduced to slavery by conquerors who also proclaimed the gospel, a gospel that could easily have been understood by the forced converts in terms of might and power. But the Mary figure embodied the crucial message of love, compassion, and hope for the oppressed, what Jesus had proclaimed.
    Mary's interpretation of the Angels words is the Magnificat, in which her spirit rejoices in God her savior because He has regarded the low estate of His slave woman.

    resource; Bible Exegesis and Church Docrtine
     
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    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    While I appreciate religious expression it tends to become rather silly pretty rapidly for me by a lot of science fiction fans. I am always fascinated why science fiction has become the language of religion on expression its wierd but so is modern cosmology so it matches. The nice thing here pope is a lot of Catholic stuff and I do enjoy it.

    Now everyone has contact with motherary we just give her different names.we are clearly confused on micro and macro scales look no further than science for the confusion. Here I have aacro and micro shots. I also have the Easter lily oh lovely mother, and cobra lily she will eat you if you do not respect. Respect, city folk do not understand respect. Country folk woodsmen such as myself it's all about respect and knowing ones place. Nature is alive in reality it's dead in lala land of the city.
    "while you worry about your clothing the lily neither toils nor spins city folk" easter-lily.jpg
    "While you debate the multiverse, jesus, I believe, I don't believe i am agnostic, politics etc. Blah de blah blah Nature loves to hide in the open" like the cobra lily to the fly. Fly.
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    Macro shot!! look a big giant dead lifeless pointless meaningless random accidental multiverse quantum void it does not exist surrounding reality mother earth.
    SHE IS BIGGER MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH BIGGER THAN JUST THIS... city folk.
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    "Mother of God"
    God has a Mother?:confused:
     
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    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    According to the theology that God became incarnate in the womb of a Jewish Virgin, yes
     
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    Mary gave birth to a human baby boy who was named Yeshua.
    God was not born.

    In my opinion.o_O
     
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    Perhaps there is just the one “goddess”, she just has many names, Ishtar, Astarte… …and perhaps nowadays she is called Lady of Guadalupe. I think it is wrong and unbiblical to pray anyone else than Bible God.
     
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    It is equally unbiblical to believe a practice must be found in Scripture to be legit
     
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    It is because the Roman Church basically by its nature encourages the mythology around Mary, Mother of God, Wife of God the Father, and the Roman Goddess in her own right.
     
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    The Catholic Church doesn't have a monopoly on this kind of thing. A fair number of religions have their own apparitions and signs.

    Catholics do have a knack for making apparitions and signs stylishly vouge though. They really know how to throw a party around these things.
     
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    Mary is also considered the wife of God the Father making the family complete.
     
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    When put that way, it makes Christianity seem polytheistic.
     
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    Seems?
     
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    Specifically, to me anyway, it seems more in line with Greek mythology. Unless I'm misunderstanding something.
     
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    Only by the misinformed. The conception of Jesus is new creation, not begetting by God. God does not become the biological father of Jesus, and neither the NT nor the theology of the Church has fundamentally ever seen in this narrative or in the event recounted in it the ground for the real divinity of Jesus, his "Divine Sonship".
     
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    It shows that for almost two thousand years theology has not succeeded in freeing its conceptual terminology from the shell of its Hellenistic origin.
     
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    Personal opinion, and it does not reflect what the Roman Church literally teaches.
     
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