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Most women are not feminists

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by PopeADope, Oct 6, 2017.

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  1. Revoltingest

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    Not a view I & many egalitarians I know share.
    The term evolves, eh.
     
  2. PopeADope

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    I do now because I'm injured in an IRTs facility... I didn't used to, but it got me into trouble so I think I will...

    It seems there's a general consensus that it's a cowardly thing for a man to hit a woman, it's frowned upon a lot more than hitting a guy... And it should be
     
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    The way my ideas of feminism work is that it's not just in defense of women. It's in defense of the feminine, something considered by too many people to be a negative, weak thing. And this, what I refer to as Patriarchy, puts women at a significant disadvantage but it also damages men, too.
    For example, I think a some degree of homophobia against men stems from an unhealthy view of women. Gay men are seen as 'too feminine' or 'doing things that women should be doing' or 'weak and emotional, like women.'
     
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    I don't think it should be. I think it's terrible for anyone to be hitting anyone, men or women.
     
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    Great points
     
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    It's on the same source you posted. :p
    I only mentioned it because the new usage is, well, new. And I still see the term mostly cropping up in classrooms about poli-sci. While gender egalitarians may not like it, calling a socialist egalitarian is no less valid.
     
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    I partially agree with you, but in general I see it as quite a bit more shocking if a man hits a woman than the other way around
     
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    That might be more upbringing than anything. If it were between my brother, my husband, my dad and myself, I'd rather myself, the girl, be hit. Because I'm a fairly fit marathon woman and they aren't. I could take the hit and hit back twice as hard.
    But ultimately, I'd rather see nobody being hit, to prevent me from escalating things. lol
     
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    Have you ever seen a woman get beat up? I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm just saying I've seen it happen to plenty of guys and haven't personally seen it happen to women... That doesn't mean I'm claiming it doesn't happen. Just giving my personal experience is all... Then again I've been to jail and correctional facilities, so of course I witnessed a lot of guys get beat up.
     
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    It is one of the "or" possibilities in the list.
    Academia....the last to catch up with popular usage.
    Nerd alert...
    They, along with the Marketing Dept of the Sirius Cybernetics Corp,
    will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes!
     
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    But it's common usage in a tiny sliver of the internet guys! :p
    It might get there, but it isn't there yet. Don't go relying on Urbandictionary now!

    Hey, in philosophy it's common usage that's slow to catch up. People are finally figuring out that ignostic isn't just a misspelling of agnostic.
     
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    My eye only twitched a little while reading through this. That's not as bad as I thought it was going to be.
     
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    I will say that women still need feminism and that I'll come back when it's not 3:45am and I'm less tired. This notion that misogyny is just over is false, and furthermore some hurdles that disproportionately or exclusively affect women still stand in our way today. The subject is too nuanced for me to mash out on 4 hours of sleep.
     
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    That right there is why I'm fine with calling myself a feminist.

    Now I'm happy to admit that there are certainly people out there who call themselves feminists simply because they dislike men. I have no doubt that such people exist, though I haven't personally encountered the legions of rabid man-haters that some on the internet would have you believe constitutes mainstream feminism. I'm also happy to accept that there are areas where men have it worse than women (In my country, male suicide is a very real concern for example). I also don't believe that addressing those issues runs counter to feminism.

    So maybe it's true that the majority of women don't consider themselves feminists. I don't know either way and don't necessarily trust the sources provided in the OP. If it is true, then I would consider that a real shame. Not a black mark against feminism. Just a real shame that these women have been put off by the extremist fringe, have misunderstood or are simply unaware of the core principles of feminist thought, live in a country where it wouldn't be safe to label themselves feminists or perhaps just don't care.


    Regarding averages, women in the military and so on: I find that a lot of people misconstrue what "on average" means. It's true that men are taller and heavier than women on average. That isn't the same as every man being taller and heavier than every woman though. There's little reason to assume a person will excel or fail in a given role simply because of their sex.
     
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    Try my favorite path to equanimity....
    Lower the standards one expects of others.

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