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Featured Most "SCARY" invention of mankind. What is it?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by firedragon, Sep 19, 2021.

  1. firedragon

    firedragon Veteran Member

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    Okay. That takes the cake.
     
  2. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Silent Generation - so don't expect much
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    It can't be any of the latter things you mentioned, since I don't believe in any of them, and certainly no hatred towards any religion - more like sympathy for the afflicted. :D

    We don't have to do research for all our beliefs, especially when a long life often gives one sufficient to base one's views upon. My view is that all humans are basically the same and that religions mostly divide us, and that plenty live quite happily without them. Plus the fact that religions are likely only surviving because children are still basically indoctrinated into such beliefs.

    One piece of information I came across, but needs verifying, that a substantial percentage of people, and possibly in a majority now, do believe that religions overall do have a negative effect, with even many having religious beliefs believing so too. I just see this as being higher than most other dangers, since many of these are far more amenable to solutions than religions changing so as to cause less conflict or reduce the harms they cause.
     
  3. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Silent Generation - so don't expect much
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    Plenty of other systems too. So what? Think Theocracy will save us all? :oops: I'm in favour of democracy, but one that works better for all rather than the privileged.
     
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    firedragon Veteran Member

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    Lol. See, if majority view decides facts, truths, or even theories, Darwin was fringe before publicity and you know what that means.

    And mate, you have no facts. You just have faith. And that is because you worship your own wishful thinking, and that maybe your God, and maybe you blind follow some people, and they maybe your prophets.

    Ciao.
     
  5. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Silent Generation - so don't expect much
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    When you can step out of your religious beliefs I'll take advice from you. :D
     
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    Lol. Nah. Generally such extremely indoctrinated people dont see further than a few inches, so I believe any advice from anyone is futile for them.

    That was not advice. Maybe you should try a dictionary. ;)
     
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    Mock Turtle Silent Generation - so don't expect much
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    What then - just the usual to be expected? :rolleyes:
     
  8. URAVIP2ME

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    Scary yes, but can be confident because of what is written at Luke 21:28.
    As we see these things (includes 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13) we are to 'lift up our heads' because there will be deliverance through and from these 'scary' times.
    I remember in the ' scary ' ten plagues times the faithful Israelites were kept safe in their homes as the 10th (last) plague passed them by. That ties in with what Isaiah wrote at Isaiah 26:20.
    In other words, the figurative humble 'sheep' at Jesus coming Glory Time will be protected - Matthew 25:31-33,37.
    They will come through the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14,9 and be here to see calendar Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental reign over Earth when Jesus, as Prince of Peace ushers in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.
    This is a reason why we are all invited to pray the invitation of Rev. 22:20,2 for Jesus to come !
     
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    I dont know who you are mate. Sorry about that.
     
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    Of course not, as I said I subscribe to the tragic view of human history.

    Nothing will save us.

    Any belief system only survives because children are 'indoctrinated' into it. Secularism is not a 'neutral' view but an ideological and culturally contingent one.

    Also the idea that humans are basically the same is just a restatement of monotheistic universalism. Christianity and its secular progeny are so integral to Western thought that people just assume they are the natural result of dispassionate rational analysis.

    We are a diverse species and the consequence of this diversity is that there are countless belief combinations that are incompatible yet equally 'natural'.

    The hubris is assuming the forces of history drive people to become 'more like me'.

    The fundamentalist is sure that the only reason others reject their religion is arrogance and weakness and that history will eventually prove them right. The Secular Humanist is sure that the only reason others reject their view is ignorance and weakness and that history will eventually prove them right.
     
  11. URAVIP2ME

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    Seems to me we should follow the ' fret not ' advice as written about in the 37th Psalm.
    In Scripture I find God will involve Himself before many people would suffer from radiation.
    When the powers that be are saying, " Peace and Security..." that Rosy saying (1 Thessalonians 5:2-3) will prove to be the precursor to the coming great tribulation, so instead of atomic bombs,etc. a great crowd of people will be 'saved/ delivered/ rescued ' through that time - Revelation 7:14; Revelation 7:9; Isaiah 26:20.
     
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    So you never get scared, URAVIP2ME. That is not only unlikely, but if true it is dangerous.
    That we get scared can save us, again and again, from dangers, because then our bodies can prepare to survive.
     
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    Perhaps you have me down as some head-in-the-clouds idealist but this isn't what I am. I try to be a realist, and hence my belief that we are all basically the same, even if and as we all tend to go our own separate ways. I think this is the default position - as to race, colour, sexual orientation, and all the rest, so as to why we shouldn't discriminate against others because of any of these. Religious beliefs often are the reason why we have any of this discrimination, and why I see such as not useful, just as I see some other ideologies not useful as well.

    I have no expectations of change so as to bring about any society where we do become more fair and where freedoms and choices are appropriate, given that we have the dilemma of tolerating the intolerant, but as an aim it seems to me more worthy than many others, particular the religions that seem to think they will succeed eventually in prevailing over all others.

    So I don't know what will happen in the future, since as you have pointed out, there will always be push-pull forces so as to make anything we see as progress often just a local affair - as the liberal West often appears to be. Given the choice however, it seems many would rather have what the West has - if we looked at migrations into such from the many other countries that don't tend to have such.
     
  14. URAVIP2ME

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    As I posted in post # 148: scary yes,...... however Not scary as to the point stressed at Luke 21:26.
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    Hmmmm....... I wonder.......

    Luke {21:21} Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the
    mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart
    out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
    {21:22} For these be the days of vengeance, that all things
    which are written may be fulfilled. {21:23} But woe unto
    them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those
    days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath
    upon this people. {21:24} And they shall fall by the edge of
    the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations:
    and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until
    the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
    {21:25} And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the
    moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of
    nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
    {21:26} Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking
    after those things which are coming on the earth: for the
    powers of heaven shall be shaken. {21:27} And then shall
    they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and
    great glory. {21:28} And when these things begin to come
    to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your
    redemption draweth nigh.

    I just wonder how many Christians would be at peace as the above happened.
    Wishful thinking, much?
    :p
     
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    As with Matthew chapter 24 Luke 21:22 is part of the 'minor' fulfillment for the first century.
    Starting with verse 25 the application is for the MAJOR fulfillment or our day.
    The fake 'weed/tares' Christians of course will Not be at peace.....
    The genuine 'wheat' Christians will know their deliverance is getting near.
    They can be at peace in knowing that Jesus is acting.- Revelation 19:14-15
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    Meh...... :)
    You would all be running round in circles, same as everybody else! :D
    That some Christians think they and only they have some kind of 'for everness' is the result of one of the biggest cons ever. And it was nothing to do with Jesus BarYosef...... nothing.
     
  18. TransmutingSoul

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    It would have to be doctrine based on God's Messages.

    Why, they are the root cause of a lot of our predudices and problems the world faces.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Any research you have to say that "doctrine based on God's messages" is the root cause for "a lot of our prejudices and problems"?
     
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    TransmutingSoul One Planet One People Please
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    It is an observation of history. Implosion of faiths, causing conflicts and division, wars between faiths, the domination of native peoples in the sense of a doctrine based superiority etc etc.

    Regards Tony
     
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