Most promising proof of God?

[ppp]

Me. You're welcome.

Sweet! Can I have a starship?! Puhleeeeze!

 

[Sheldon]

It’s not about winning or losing an intellectual debate for me but about what’s best for humanity.

Then why are you in a debate forum?

The elimination of all forms of prejudice and the establishment of a system based upon justice is what I believe to be amongst the most important needs of humanity.

I like oranges, since we are now espousing non sequiturs.

It’s those who are suffering that I believe we should be concerned most with.

I am concerned with what on earth that has to do with the previous exchanges? Let's take a look...

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So you don’t care you might be wrong?

To which I responded:

About what?

You offered no response?

You then asked:

Then your views are infallible?

To which I again responded:

I have never claimed so.

Again, you offered no response, despite making the claim? Then you asked this question, which is quite obviously a variation of Pascal's wager...

What if you’ve made a major error of judgement and there is a God?

I responded as follows:

I cannot make a judgement when I am presented with no objective data, but to withhold belief. That said what if you have subjectively picked the wrong deity? You are of course espousing Pascal's wager, and the flaws are that firstly Pascal's wager makes the unevidenced assumption that any risk exists in the first place, strike one. It then makes the false presumption, that all the risk would rest with disbelief, strike two, and finally it makes the assumption that, given the number of deities, and religions that people adhere to, with no objective difference between them, that unevidenced subjective credulity incurs no risk, strike three.

This is not to disparage the intellect of Blaise Pascal of course, but anyone can have an off day, and like all other geniuses, he was firstly an evolved ape, and secondly therefore fallible.

This was your rather bizarre response:

It’s not about winning or losing an intellectual debate for me but about what’s best for humanity. The elimination of all forms of prejudice and the establishment of a system based upon justice is what I believe to be amongst the most important needs of humanity.

It’s those who are suffering that I believe we should be concerned most with.

???

 

[SalixIncendium]

Sweet! Can I have a starship?! Puhleeeeze!

Only if you name it "Jefferson" and paint it on the side.

 

[ppp]

Only if you name it "Jefferson" and paint it on the side.

I can totally live with that. But now I wonder how is it that no Star Trek series or movie has ever had a starship called Jefferson? The mind boggles.

There is a Jefferson Iowa in Star Trek where I shop was built, but that hardly counts.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Who decides what's best for humanity?

Whom do you think? I believe humanity collaborating collectively can make great progress if their motives are not self interest.

 

[Sheldon]

Me. You're welcome.

Excellent, I've been trying to get in touch, could you have a word with Putin, and tell him to retire please, oh and if you could tell Trump to do the same, (just in case) that'd be great.

In the meantime explain to the Chinese government that they should respect the rights of their citizens. Also if you could tell BoJo to pay his fines, admit his culpability if applicable, and publish Susan Grey's report ASAP.

Diolch yn fawr...

 

[loverofhumanity]

Then why are you in a debate forum?



I like oranges, since we are now espousing non sequiturs.



I am concerned with what on earth that has to do with the previous exchanges? Let's take a look...



To which I responded:



You offered no response?

You then asked:



To which I again responded:



Again, you offered no response, despite making the claim? Then you asked this question, which is quite obviously a variation of Pascal's wager...



I responded as follows:



This was your rather bizarre response:

???

Let’s just say you are too intelligent for me and I am no match.

 

[ppp]

Whom do you think? I believe humanity collaborating collectively can make great progress if their motives are not self interest.

Are you claiming that your god is going to directly interacting and running the daily minutia of governmental processes?

Only someone who is self-centered would think that people who don't agree with them have motives that are merely self-interest.

 

[ppp]

Let’s just say you are too intelligent for me and I am no match.

We would never say that. We would simply look at each other meaningfully and quirk our eyebrows in a knowing fashion.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Are you claiming that your god is going to directly interacting and running the daily minutia of governmental processes?

Only someone who is self-centered would think that people who don't agree with them have motives that are merely self-interest.

You misunderstood. I was inferring humanity if it comes together out of interest for humanity it can solve its problems.

 

[Sheldon]

Who decides what's best for humanity?

Oh oh oh, me, me, me!

Oh go-wan mun....I can do it.

 

[ppp]

You misunderstood. I was inferring humanity if it comes together out of interest for humanity it can solve its problems.

Not at all. I understood that was what you meant. But if you recall, my initial question was in response to your statement, "t’s not about winning or losing an intellectual debate for me but about what’s best for humanity."

I asked you, Who decides what's best for humanity?
Instead of just stating your position, you were coy and said, "Whom do you think?"

I think that you think it will be the Baha'i god, and that the government will be Baha'i, ruling over a (mostly) Baha'i world population. Am I incorrect?

 

[loverofhumanity]

Not at all. I understood that was what you meant. But if you recall, my initial question was in response to your statement, "t’s not about winning or losing an intellectual debate for me but about what’s best for humanity."

I asked you, Who decides what's best for humanity?
Instead of just stating your position, you were coy and said, "Whom do you think?"

I think that you think it will be the Baha'i god, and that the government will be Baha'i, ruling over a (mostly) Baha'i world population. Am I incorrect?

Again you misunderstand me. By asking “Whom do you think” I wanted to know your views. With regards to ‘who decides what is best for humanity? I think I answered ‘humanity collectively collaborating will decide what is best if they do it without self interest.

Where on earth did you get the notion about Baha’i God and Baha’i ruling because I never said such a thing, so I believe you have misunderstood my post.

Again, who do you think should decide what is best for humanity? What is your view?

My answer was and is that humanity decides. Not any god or Baha’is, but humanity will decide. Sorry if it wasn’t clear enough but humanity’s destiny is in humanity’s hands no one else’s.

 

[ppp]

Again you misunderstand me. By asking “Whom do you think” I wanted to know your views. With regards to ‘who decides what is best for humanity? I think I answered ‘humanity collectively collaborating will decide what is best if they do it without self interest.

Well, that was pretty mean of you. You were like, Hey Policy, I am going to completely snub your question. But hey, you should totally answer mine.

So much for your not being all about self-interest.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Well, that was pretty mean of you. You were like, Hey Policy, I am going to completely snub your question. But hey, you should totally answer mine.

So much for your not being all about self-interest.

I thought I answered your question.