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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by questfortruth, Jan 17, 2022.

  1. firedragon

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    I think you need to go back and read the progression of the discussion. You said the purpose of the forum was for allowing people to proselytize. I said it's not. If you are going to respond to my posts, please stay on topic.

    Irrelevant.

    Of course I did. I don't presume to speak for others.
     
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  3. Ashoka

    Ashoka Aum Namah Shivaya

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    Okay *shrug*
     
  4. firedragon

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    Sorry but you just made that up.

    Of vs For.
     
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    I'm not going to argue with you. It's right there in black and white.

    Touche.

    That said, none of my actions here remain unjustified.
     
  6. firedragon

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    Nope. Made up. You just made that up.

    Unbelievable.
     
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    I like this. What you wrote reminds me of something many Hindu scriptures say about God: he is knowledge and what is to be known. :)
     
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    That is only relevant to the awareness of the one. It doesn't suggest there is anyone else who knows. Nor that the one exists.

    We can't force God into existence with clever language.
     
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    Just so you know, it's okay to make a mistake and be wrong. Heck, I can even tolerate someone giving in to their ego and being too proud to admit their mistake.

    But it does speak volumes for someone's character when they feel the need to accuse another of being dishonest and question their integrity in order to cover up their mistake.

    Have a nice day. :)
     
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  10. firedragon

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    Keep going with made up things. If it makes one feel good about themselves when all others are failing, its alright.

    Cheers.
     
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    So you don’t care you might be wrong? Then your views are infallible? Assertion that others are wrong and you are right doesn’t make it so. What if you’ve made a major error of judgement and there is a God?
     
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    Then the god(s) he is wrong about could any god(s) from any religion that anyone has ever conceived. Or any that hasn't. It could be a god that doesn't care. Or a pantheon of gods only interested in people who don't use faith to make decisions
     
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    I think all we can each do is sift through the information we each have from our education, study and life experience and then do the best we can to make head or tail of life, God and so on.

    We can only believe what we feel is true according to our own understanding and interpretation. No one can be blamed for understanding differently. Everyone, I believe has an important aspect of truth we can learn from.

    I made many mistakes and still do. I look back sometimes and think I should have been more humble and hopefully I become a better human being.

    To me, the most important thing is not that you believe what I believe, but that you and your children and future generations get to live in a world of peace, prosperity and happiness without war, prejudices and hatreds. That everyone will have plenty to eat, clothing, food and shelter and access to education and medical care.

    It doesn’t matter to me what others believe. I just want them to inherit a better world and do everything in my power to make it happen. So whatever you believe or don’t, you are part of my human family and that’s what matters most above all.
     
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    I agree.

    That is definitely false. I can definitely blame all of the people who have done harm based on the direct and immoral instructions of their religion. Your religion bars same sex sex. Immoral. At least you got the slavery thing right.

    Me too. Some, of which I am deeply ashamed. But I don't take the things that I believe are true and good to be unquestionable. My positions are always open to revision with the discovery of new evidence and better reasoning. Morality is not a set of rules.

    I agree. But we are only going to get there by walking the path of hard truths.

    That is certainly a good thought.
     
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    Ok. Then we have established that it doesn’t matter what you believe and that that is not my concern, only the betterment and well-being of humanity. To create a better world we don’t have to join any religion or believe in a God.

    How Baha’is go about it doesn’t mean only our methods and beliefs will work. Everyone, scientists, atheists, all people are needed to create a better world. The belief in the oneness of humanity encompasses everyone.
     
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    About what?

    I have never claimed so.

    Indeed not.

    I cannot make a judgement when I am presented with no objective data, but to withhold belief. That said what if you have subjectively picked the wrong deity? You are of course espousing Pascal's wager, and the flaws are that firstly Pascal's wager makes the unevidenced assumption that any risk exists in the first place, strike one. It then makes the false presumption, that all the risk would rest with disbelief, strike two, and finally it makes the assumption that, given the number of deities, and religions that people adhere to, with no objective difference between them, that unevidenced subjective credulity incurs no risk, strike three.

    This is not to disparage the intellect of Blaise Pascal of course, but anyone can have an off day, and like all other geniuses, he was firstly an evolved ape, and secondly therefore fallible.
     
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  18. loverofhumanity

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    It’s not about winning or losing an intellectual debate for me but about what’s best for humanity. The elimination of all forms of prejudice and the establishment of a system based upon justice is what I believe to be amongst the most important needs of humanity.

    It’s those who are suffering that I believe we should be concerned most with.
     
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    Who decides what's best for humanity?
     
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    Me. You're welcome.
     
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