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Most everyone desires to raise their families in peace.
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exchemist
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Because a lot of people don't have families they are responsible for. That applies to almost all the young men that get involved in terrorism for example.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
A lot of us weren't raised in healthy (whatever that means by culture) families. Some tend to care for loved ones late in life and others have trauma they don't at all.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I think because without God it becomes generally impossible.
When you are raised in a culture of "It is normal to have another woman when you are married" and you have no God in your life to say "It is a violation of covenant", it is hard to raise a family in peace.
That same principle can be applied in dozens of other areas that can rob peace in a family.
No God help, by and large, no peace.
I say generally because there are exceptions where a family may have no God but there is enough God around them to still have peace in the family. As Ambassadors for Christ say, "He rains on the just and the unjust".
Your belief is generally not borne out by the evidence. The notion that without theism we all become amoral, violent hedonists is simply untrue.
What does "generally" mean to you? and/or "enough God around them"?
Or did you read it with a pre-conceived position?
Because conflict and cooperation are intrinsic to all biological organisms whether or not they have what humans call "families."
Non-anecdotally. Ie in scientific studies of the subject. There's no evidence on any large scale that theists are less violent than atheists. Unless you have some to present?
How would this be measured, precisely? Perhaps theists are peaceful because they have enough secularism around them? See the problem yet?
As long as they believe in your particular religion of course.
1) It was a viewpoint - you don't have to subscribe to it.
2) "Generally" means that if you don't have a God, god or gods, it doesn't mean that you are evil
3) "Enough God around you" - means that the influence of God is strong enough in your life to make a difference.
So... now that your pre-conceived reading has been addressed...
can we be friends now?
nope.As long as they believe in your particular religion of course.
Well of course not Ken. This is a site for discussing and debating ideas.
Except the way it's phrased makes it sound as though that's the exception, not the rule. And my point is that you don't have good evidence for your rule in the first place.
Do you see how that makes your paradigm immune to contradiction? Even if atheists all around you are peaceful, you can rationalize that by saying, "oh, she had an aunt who's a believer," or, "well, he lives in a country with many believers," etc. Do you see the issue?
I guess that depends, Ken. If you want to be friends, you should try saying things that are friendly. You'll find, if you get to know me, that I'm a pretty friendly guy.
Quiddity
UndertheInfluenceofGiants
It's an age-old misconception that can't seem to run its course. Certainly, they can, but it's not the same obviously.
It's a simple idea that having God commits one to a variety of things, that is unmatched in the nontheistic world.
The idea is certainly simple, just not one that's evidence-based. If it were, we'd see widespread differences in levels of violence committed by theists vs. nontheists. But we don't.
Cool! You should go study the great libertarian economists. You'll like them! They don't empirically test their theories, either.
Quiddity
UndertheInfluenceofGiants
The idea is certainly simple, just not one that's evidence-based. If it were, we'd see widespread differences in levels of violence committed by theists vs. nontheists. But we don't.
Rrrrrrrright.....because we all know there is creed all nontheist subscribe to. Mao was an atheist but wasn't operating under any atheistic premises one can attach to him. In fact, you can't attach anything to any of them.
Unless of course, you are religious. Fair game.
All those Cartel members are Catholic and had they only been swayed by reason and science......maybe just maybe.
Hogwash.
People are far more complicated than that.
Hah! Get with the times, ya fossil! "Evidence" is something you need these days to live in some bizarre alternative universe to demand!
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Even without scientific studies/scripture, thousands of people without any concept of a god build beautiful families while those who do have a god oriented family loose their children due to having parents theology forced on children making many commit suicide.
A lot of christian parents don't realize it until afterwards saying they did what's best for their child. Families without god have different dynamics but no one better than the other.