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Featured Mosaic law still present?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Remté, Feb 15, 2019.

  1. sooda

    sooda Well-Known Member

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    Cute. Galilee and Perea were a client state of the Roman Empire in Syria-Palestine.
     
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    The peoples of Syria-Palestine lived in numerous separate city states and small kingdoms scattered through the coastal and river valleys and mountains of what is now Israel, Syria, and Lebanon.

    They were actually many different peoples, but they all spoke a small group of similar Semitic languages. They most likely wandered north across Arabia from what today is Yemen, and settled on and around the eastern coast of the Mediterranean in the late Bronze Age.
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    They acquired iron technology and formed independent city states in the wake of the power vacuum created by the fall of the Hittites and the retreat of the Egyptians in the 1200s B.C. They also acquired some religious ideas and political and social institutions from Mesopotamian culture. They were called Canaanites. The name means people of the purple; it comes from a purple dye made in the region.

    Some Canaanite city states along the coast of modern Lebanon began to trade by sea up and down the Mediterranean coast. As trade developed, they sailed farther and farther away to reach new markets. When they came into contact with the Greeks, the Greeks translated the name Canaanite into the Greek term.

    That term is Phoenician, which we still use for these traders. The Phoenicians were significant because their trading eventually took them all over the Mediterranean. They even set up trading posts in Africa, Spain, and other distant lands.

    This helped to spread civilization far more widely to backward lands all around the Mediterranean from 1000 to 500. They also invented a new, simplified system of writing, the alphabet. Most modern alphabets are based on it, including our own.

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    Syria-Palestine
     
  3. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Show me a ROMAN document that mentions "Syria-Palestine" from the first century.
     
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    Try this.

    What was Historical Syria and Phoenicia? Is there confusion?
    phoenicia.org/syria.html
    Historical documents: Lebanon before Syria 5000 thousand years! The first mention of the name of Lebanon was recorded in the Epistle of Gilgamesh 5000 years before Christ. The first mention of the word Syria was given in the Roman era of 64 BC -- means after …

    (You do know that there is MORE to the history of the Levant, Mesopotamia and Syria-Palestine than just Jewish history, don't you?)
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Sorry, that's not what i asked for.
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    Fair enough.
    It looks as if Judea or Judah was in Judaea.
    I will keep a look out for any other collective name, but it looks as if shown in sooda's link.
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    I like this map.
    Further north there is trachonitis, gaulotinis, gadarenes.
    But in your link after 37bc the Romans seem to have called the whole lot, Judaea.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    And the kingdom is called Judaea. There is nothing called Palestine on the map, or Syria-Palestine.
     
  10. sooda

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    Syria and Palestine: from the 6th century BC


    The Roman rulers are not the first to link Syria administratively with Palestine. In the late 6th century Darius makes Syria and Palestine, together with Cyprus, the fifth satrapy of his empire. During the Seleucid dynasty Syria and Palestine are under joint control in the 2nd century. Then, for some 700 years from the 1st century BC, the Roman and Byzantine empires unite the region.

    The three main cities are the very ancient Damascus and the more recent Antioch in Syria, and Jerusalem in Palestine. Of these it is Jerusalem which has a turbulent history in Roman times. The Jews of Palestine prove exceptionally hard to govern.
    HISTORY OF SYRIA AND PALESTINE
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    Yes! We know what that History channel wrote, Sooda.
    What we don't know is whether there is any evidence for this channel's accounts.

    But I already have read it, when you first linked it. And during the time that interests me, early first century 'Lands of King Herod' the Romans seem to have called the whole lot Judaea with an extra 'A'. Here it is, all over again:-

    Herod the Great: 37-4 BC

    Herod is in Rome in 40 BC, when the senate appoints him king of Judaea (the Roman name for the area round Jerusalem). He returns to the east with a Roman army, and by 37 BC is firmly in control of his new kingdom. He will rule it till his death in 4 BC, becoming known to history as Herod the Great.

    Sooda......... I don't give a hoot whether all the provinces had no collective name, or were called Palestine, or Israel, or Ballyhoo. :) You're link has not shown evidence (from those times) for any name..... I am still not sure.
     
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    BEFORE the Romans

    According to Herodotus, the lands that extend between Persia and Egypt are Syria–Palestine, Phoenicia and the Arabian region. Therefore, if Herodotus mentions the Israelites under another name, then it might be either under that of Syria–Palestine, or that of Phoenicia. Josephus4 tends

    WHO WERE THE PHOENICIANS ACCORDING TO HERODOTUS AND ...
    www.whowerethephoenicians.com/wp-content/uploads/book/phenicos_new%20(2)_p175-p180.pdf
     
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    This article presents a list of notable historical references to the name Palestine as a place name in the Middle East throughout the history of the region, including its cognates such as "Filastin" and "Palaestina".

    The term "Peleset" (transliterated from hieroglyphs as P-r-s-t) is found in five inscriptions referring to a neighboring people or land starting from circa 1150 BC during the Twentieth Dynasty of Egypt.

    The first known mention is at the temple at Medinet Habu which refers to the Peleset among those who fought with Egypt in Ramesses III's reign, and the last known is 300 years later on Padiiset's Statue.

    The Assyrians called the same region "Palashtu/Palastu" or "Pilistu", beginning with Adad-nirari III in the Nimrud Slab in c. 800 BC through to an Esarhaddon treaty more than a century later. Neither the Egyptian nor the Assyrian sources provided clear regional boundaries for the term.

    The first appearance of the term "Palestine" was in 5th century BC Ancient Greece when Herodotus wrote of a "district of Syria, called Palaistinê" between Phoenicia and Egypt in The Histories.

    Herodotus was describing the coastal region, but is also considered to have applied the term to the inland region such as the Judean mountains and the Jordan Rift Valley.

    Later Greek writers such as Aristotle, Polemon and Pausanias also used the word, which was followed by Roman writers such as Ovid, Tibullus, Pomponius Mela, Pliny the Elder, Dio Chrysostom, Statius, Plutarch as well as Roman Judean writers Philo of Alexandria and Josephus.

    The word was never used in an official context during the Hellenistic period, and is not found on any Hellenistic coin or inscription, first coming into official use in the early second century AD. It has been contended that in the first century authors still associated the term with the southern coastal region.

    In 135 AD, the Greek "Syria Palaestina" [a] was used in naming a new Roman province from the merger of Roman Syria and Roman Judaea after the Roman authorities crushed the Bar Kokhba Revolt.

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    Timeline of the name "Palestine" - Wikipedia
     
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    Has NOTHING to do with the History Channel. Darius called the area Syria Palestine. The history of Persia is NOT a secret.
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    My interest is in early first century.
    I did not challenge the name Palestine, another member did.
    I am only interested in any collective name during the time of Jesus.
     
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    Judea, Samaria, Galilee were all within Syria-Palestine long before the Romans took over.
     
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    Your map shows Syria to the north, and does not show any "Palestine".
     
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