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Featured More wars in the name of the Abrahamic God than any other God!

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Spiderman, Oct 19, 2021.

  1. Spiderman

    Spiderman Veteran Member

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    @Hockeycowboy said that the fact that Kamikaze pilots had some Religious motives is sign of a false Religion.

    What?? Nothing in Shinto Doctrine or Scripture supports Japanese wars of aggression or unhealthy nationalism.

    Abrahamic Scriptures on the other hand have some words of peace with many countless calls to violence, genocide, and nationalism.

    Ancient Israel was extremely nationalistic and militant, Exalting itself and the chosen people above every other nation, and committing wars of aggression and genocide.

    If God wishes that his chosen people be more blessed and superior, I'll respect his decision, but I'm not going to deny the obvious either.

    Jesus chose twelve descendants of Jacob to be his Apostles , and said he came for the children of Israel. He referred to a gentile woman and her people as dogs.

    He wouldn't heal the woman's daughter until she admitted her people were essentially dogs. Just google it and see for yourself.

    I'm only stating the obvious. ;)

    People can use Abrahamic Scripture to justify violence, genocide, nationalism, and even slavery , and racism.

    Scripture supports and sanctions all of the above, even though there are some verses that say otherwise.

    It doesn't change the fact that Scripture still sanctions and supports such behavior, and people have used them to justify those behaviors. A few words of peace doesn't cancel the rest out.

    Nothing in Shinto Scripture justifies violence , because there are no Shinto Scriptures , or known founder, and the only Shinto Doctrine is "belief in the Kami, the dead become Kami", and a tradition to build spirit homes, shrines, Kamidanas, and Hondens for Kami to find rest, love, and blessing.

    There is Shinto tradition of enshrining everyone who dies in combat. The Kamikaze all told each other before their missions that they would meet together again at Yasukuni Shrine, where their names and birthdates are written in a sacred book of souls, in a Honden structure closed to the public, reserved for enshrined Kami.

    But nothing in Shinto Doctrine or Scripture encourages or justifies violence or war. Shinto texts are not Scriptures , because in Shinto, no writting is considered inerrant, and Scriptures can't be proven, which leads to arguments and distracts people from loving Kami.

    Abrahamic Scriptures have countless calls to violence, genocide, nationalism, and sanction slavery. Meaning those are part of the essence, and intrinsic nature, of the Abrahamic God.

    Those things have nothing to do with the essence and intrinsic nature of Shinto.

    God and Kami bless you!
     
  2. Aštra’el

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    The Abrahamic God kicks ***.
     
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  3. Rival

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    Lord of Armies.

    Yup, that's Him.
     
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    Well; for your statement that 'Jesus only came for the Israelites' I'd encourage you to read the first few chapters of the Epistle to the Romans.

    Secondly there should be a distinction made between what humans do and what the Divine does. Throughout history there has been numerous wars and terrible atrocities committed under the guise of religion -- but that is entirely a human thing. Humans are not perfect beings, so we have the ability to do wrong and commit atrocities -- even if we wrap ourselves in the most holy of labels or claim association or divine right from this thing or the other thing.

    But dismissing Christians, Jews, Muslims, Samaritans, ect as either ignorant of our own faith or warring barbarians is really silly.

    Just in the same way; there are plenty of 'democratic' states that committed atrocities. Yet we don't fully abandon Democracy or the democratic ideals / the ideals of liberalism.
     
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  5. Spiderman

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    I'm not labeling Christians, Muslims, and Jews as anything. I love them and I love their God. I just don't like how their God behaved sometimes.

    Slavery, genocide, nationalism, and wars of aggression are part of the intrinsic nature of the God of Abraham.

    As @Rival admitted. Scripture refers to him with the title "God of armies". ;)
     
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    Makes sense since he started out as a war God. El as in IS RA EL...
     
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    The two notable genocides in the Old Testament, where the wars were commanded by prophets, were Joshua in Jericho and Samuel ordering Saul exterminate the Amalekites.

    Genocide as in not even sparing children and infants.

    There are no evidence that Joshua, Samuel or Saul existed, historically, but it is clear that god sanctioned these genocides in the scriptures.

    Plus without the genocides in these stories, there would be no invasion of Canaan in Joshua, and there would be no rise of David when Saul lost god’s favor for not killing the king of Amalekites.

    Genocides were essential to the plots of both stories.
     
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    I'm not sure how you can know that more people have died on the name of one God than another. How many people died under Romen wars alone?
     
  9. Spiderman

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    I didn't say I have a casualty statistic. But in the 21st century I was seen countless wars and oppressive intolerant bloodthirsty regimes in the name of the Abrahamic God. I can't think of one non-abrahamic regime that did this large-scale in the name of Religion.

    Look at how many wars and genocides are in the Old Testament. Look at the crusades and inquisitions. Look at the Christians verse the Native Americans and Aztecs and South Americans. Look at the Christians Christianization of Africa.

    Look at the Muslims battling the Hindus in India. Look at Mohammed's conquest of the Meccans and the Islamic seizure of North Africa, The middle East, parts of Asia, and parts of Europe.

    You find me another God that has had so much land conquered in his name, and so many wars fought over him.

    Please do.
     
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    May have been even more without religion. Who’s to say
     
  11. Spiderman

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    True! :)
     
  12. Wildswanderer

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    Event Lowest estimate Location
    World War II 70,000,000 Worldwide
    Manchu Invasion of China 25,000,000 China
    Taiping Rebellion 20,000,000 China
    World War I 15,000,000 Worldwide

    What gods were these wars fought over?
    Guess it depends on your point of view with World War 1 and 2.
    The manchu were animists, I believe.
    The Taiping forces were run as a cult-like group called the God Worshipping Society by self-proclaimed prophet Hong Xiuquan, and resulted in the rebels seizing the city of Nanjing for a decade.
    That's an awful lot of killing.

    It's estimated that Roman Armies suffered some 885,000 battlefield casualties throughout their nine-century history, from 400 BCE to 500 CE. (The Greeks lost some 305,000 men on the battlefield from 500 to 146 BCE.)

    Who were the Roman gods? So should we say that all these died for Zeus?
    So, there were at least a million killed in the crusades, supposedly but were they are really for one God? The Muslim God and the Christian God are not really the same. So 500,000 each?

    Kinda looks to me like the Asians win, unless we want to make the world wars about religion.

    Of course, there's been plenty killed by atheistic causes too.
    The Chinese Civil War started in August of 1927 between the government-backed Kuomintang and the Communist Party of China. The massacres and mass atrocities carried out by both parties resulted in more than 8 million casualties by 1950.
     
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  13. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    I'm not aware of many wars in the name of the Abrahamic God. There were the early wars of Israel, which archaeology seems to say never happened. There was the crusades, but one could very well say that the crusades were a defensive pushback against muslim incursion. There was the original spread of Islam, which eventually burned out. And three are the acts of Muslim extremists this century. That's not a whole heck of a lot.

    Let's face it, the overwhelming majority of wars are fought over land and recources, aka greed. Let's not blame religion.
     
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    Which Asian God was commanding genocide like Yahweh?

    Please educate me. I guess Genghis Kahn gave Tengri credit for his victories , but he really was very religiously tolerant.

    He didn't force people to convert to his faith or even declare his religion was better than other Religions that I am aware of.

    He actually got all Religions in his Empire to get along fairly well , once he conquered the territories.

    He wasn't fighting Religious wars. He prayed to Tengri all night before battles, but Tengri never taught him to be a Religious bigot , or force Religion on anyone, to my knowledge.

    Yahweh on the other hand....
     
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    See post where I quoted @IndigoChild5559

    I meant to quote you. I'm having phone trouble.
     
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    I agree with your second paragraph.

    Scripture says those genocides happened and over a billion people believe those Scriptures to be without error and God's word.

    That means Yahweh sanctioned racism, genocide, slavery, and nationalism, Making those things intrinsic to the nature of Yahweh and his essence.

    Now, I don't believe God is like that. But hate groups still can use those Scriptures to justify similar behaviors, and I find that concerning.

    I love Yahweh. I just don't agree with his behavior sometimes.
     
  18. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Do you really think that asian religions are mroe tolerant? Tell that to the Muslims being genocided by Buddhists in Myanmar.

    But again, religious wars are very rare. You need to acknowledge that most wars are fought for greed.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Nevertheless, the archaeology indicagtes that Canaan was NOT captured via war.
     
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    So, does that mean you are not allowed to defend yourself, or your country?

    It is very interesting how people can fight in the name of Bible God, when it is said:

    But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you, that you may be children of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust.
    Mat. 5:44-45
     
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