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Featured More Spiritual/Religious: Clinton or Trump?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by BilliardsBall, Aug 10, 2016.

  1. BilliardsBall

    BilliardsBall Well-Known Member

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    Which POTUS lead candidate is more religious? Or is it... irreligious?

    Clinton says she is very interested in church, still, and attended regularly as a child.

    Some evangelical leaders say Trump is a baby Christian, a person tender toward the promptings of God's Spirit.

    Your thoughts?
     
  2. viole

    viole Metaphysical Naturalist
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    Vote an atheist. At least he/she will be both rational, and honest. :)

    Ciao

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    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    Reading people's minds is not easy. Especially not when they are politicians:)
    But I am pretty confident that Clinton's lukewarm Methodism is more sincere than Trump's new found religious devotion.
    She has actually done a lot for disadvantaged people. No doubt, her political interests were always part of that. But it's there and has a lot to do with her support.
    Trump has devoted his life to money and fame, and collecting exwives, mistresses, and girl friends. When it became clear that adding some Jesus to his campaign would help him with a demographic that has usually been good for the GOP, he did.

    Frankly, I don't buy it and neither does the pope. Lots of Christians don't. In a way I am surprised that many evangelical voters do.
    In a way I am not.
    Tom
     
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  4. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    I wish that I could say that I'm surprised that 79% of American evangelicals support a man who has married three times, cheated on at least one of his wives while married, brags about his affairs, brags about his wealth, says he'd "carpet bomb" in ISIS areas, says he'd considered using nuclear weapons there, is recognized and called out by even many of his own Republicans as being a "pathological liar" (their words, not mine), says he doesn't need God's forgiveness, etc. I think that it's likely that a great many of those amongst the 79% would probably kick Jesus out of their church as being a "bleeding-heart liberal" and "drug-crazed hippie" if he visited. "And love your enemy?! Forget that-- bomb the hell out of them! After all, Jesus certainly is a true American patriot that wants us to have a powerful military and praises American exceptionalism"!
     
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    Donald Trump is a hypocrite. He "loves the bible", and that by itself is bothersome, but he further aggravates the issue with his extreme hypocrisy. That's what I have come to expect of people who "love the bible" anyways.

    Hillary Clinton is bad as well, but she is not nearly as bad as Donald Trump. She's like any other American politician.

    My interest in Ameircan politics continuously diminishes as time progresses, so I really don't care too much about what goes on politically here.
     
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    As long as their not Southern Baptist.
     
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    Clinton is a sociopathic cybord and thus probably doesn't care about God whatsoever. She isn't interested in religion, she just propagates that she does because she needs to in order to win the election.
     
  8. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    And you supposedly know this how?
     
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    BilliardsBall Well-Known Member

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    Please do not continue your habit of making your point without even attempting to answer my question. Go ahead and plug that a atheist should swear on a Bible as POTUS to defend the Constitution, our coinage with In God We Trust and so on, but answer the question, please.
     
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    I hear you loud and clear. However, Trump's running mate and those in his circle, those he has appointed to help, show he is family and conservative minded.
     
  11. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Greased up & ready for action!
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    I am glad that the question of who is more spiritual or religious
    doesn't matter to me. It's one less annoying thing to investigate.
     
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  12. BilliardsBall

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    It's hard to make a blanket statement that Jesus is against the Republican platform only, because the Democratic platform includes pro-choice and other reprehensible stances.

    But my question wasn't "Which candidate is the bigger hypocrite?" or "Why are you annoyed at evangelicals today?" but rather, do you find Clinton or Trump more spiritual?
     
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    You mean: swear on a book that considers righteous to offer ones daughters to a mob of rapists, in exchange of some angelic guests?

    Who would do that?

    Ciao

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  14. BilliardsBall

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    If I was being sarcastic, I would point out that your post here shows you are actually very concerned with this topic, enough to read, then join, the thread.

    However, I'm not a sarcastic person. So I will point out that what a candidate thinks of God and religion, atheist or not, clearly and devoutly (pardon my pun) affects our daily lives.

    For example, Clinton might say, "Raise taxes to do good deeds, to help the poor!" and Trump might say, "Conservative justices will defend the Constitution as the Christian framers intended it!" and etc.

    So it is of vital importance to you, and to me.
     
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    Revoltingest Greased up & ready for action!
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    Hey, I'm just building my post count.
    Everyone needs a purpose in life.
    My point was that I look at their positions, & whether they can effect them once in office.
    Be their motivation is religious, secular, spiritual or even malicious, I've no concern.
    I'll vote for a raving fundie or a fire breathing heathen if I like what I think they'll achieve.
     
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    No, they show he's willing to pander.
     
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    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    I don't believe that this is true.
    (Does that make me a believer? :) )

    I think he was forced to pick Pence because his numbers were so bad amongst one of the groups the Republican party depends upon. But he didn't want to.
    And Pence wouldn't have taken the position if his own gubernatorial race wasn't looking so shaky and tough.

    What these people consider conservative family values just doesn't sell like it used to.

    That evangelicals are fooled by it speaks very poorly for them as a group.
    Tom
     
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    I'm going by Trump's words and actions, not the Republican platform nor Hillary's "spirituality". I've 71 years old, have been observing American politics since 1960, and I have never seen a presidential candidate with Trump's horrific demeanor before-- and I'm by no mean the only one to say this.

    I would suggest than anyone who supports such actions and claims to be observant religiously is simply deluding themselves. Can you imagine Jesus, for example, acting the way Trump has? Go back to my post #4 and substitute Jesus for Trump and see how he fits, and then get back to me on what you see.
     
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    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    Frankly, if you want to compare the Christian credentials of the VPs I would definitely put Kaine's missionary work and work for the victims of abject racism up against Pence's political maneuvers any day.
    Tom
     
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    Kuzcotopia If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.

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    Wait a minute, what about Trump says? Let's listen and you can judge for yourself.

     
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