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More Snowflakes Vs Offensive Symbol Controversy

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Revoltingest, May 25, 2020.

  1. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Hihg Intellajence Kwoshunt.
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    Clickbaity title it is.
    I'm with the historical preservationists (as usual).

    In the news....
    Swastikas Are Carved Into Three Military Gravestones. A Veteran Wants Them Removed.
    And for no paywall....
    Nazi swastikas at veterans cemeteries prompt outrage, but VA calls them protected history
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    Veterans Affairs officials are rejecting calls to remove gravestones bearing Nazi swastikas at a pair of federal veterans cemeteries, saying they have a duty to preserve the historic markers.

    But officials from the Military Religious Freedom Foundation called the continued presence of the offensive symbols alongside the resting place of American veterans “shocking and inexcusable” and are demanding a public apology from VA leaders.

    “Secretary Robert Wilkie must immediately replace the gravestones of all German military personnel interred in VA national cemeteries so that abosultely no Nazi-era symbols … will ever again be allowed to appear on such gravestones,” said Mikey Weinstein, chair of MRFF.

    At issue are three grave sites at two VA cemeteries: Fort Sam Houston National Cemetery in Texas and Fort Douglas Post Cemetery in Utah. Both were used to inter dozens of unclaimed remains of enemy troops following World War II.

    While most of the foreign troops’ grave markers list only names and dates of death, the three in question are also engraved with with a swastika in the center of an iron cross and in inscription in German which reads “He died far from his home for the Führer, people and fatherland.”

    Veteran Affairs officials in a statement said the headstones date back to the 1940s. Army officials oversaw both cemeteries at the time and approved the inscriptions and inclusion of the swastika.
     
  2. BSM1

    BSM1 What? Me worry?

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    Not nothing for nothing, but a lot of folks don't realize we had German prisoner camps in the US. I never realized this until many years ago I moved to a town in our state that had a camp there during the war. There were stories about how many of the German craftsmen and farmers were allowed to work in the community for people.
     
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    Here in Germany showing signs of the "3. Reich" is prohibited. With an exception for historical monuments or education about the time.
    I think if it is allowed to wear Nazi uniforms with Nazi symbols and advocate for fascist ideologies or parties, a 60 year old headstone shouldn't be a problem.
     
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  4. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Hihg Intellajence Kwoshunt.
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    I had no idea that you live in Germany.
    For a Hun, you have no detectable accent.
     
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    We all too conveniently forget that Hitler and Mussolini had a significant number of supporters here in the States and elsewhere-- but then try and find one after when we got in the war and later.:emojconfused:
     
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    Should we remove any symbol that might offend someone? Christians may be offended by Jewish star of David and Jews may be offended by Christian creooses. Atheists of course may be offended by any religious sign. So where do we draw the line? Many people want religion and government separated so there should be no religious symbols in a government run cemetary. How do we avoid anything that might offend even one person?
     
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    I wish I had a picture of Henry Ford's portrait hanging in Hitler's office.

    The Nazis were very popular amongst the corporatists and aristocracy across Christendom.
    Tom
     
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    How about we draw the line at "wants to murder most/enslave most of the world and somehow a none insignificant number of people still think it's a good idea". Is it really that complicated? We have drawn lines in way more complicated subjects before.

    Though in that specific case, being tombs in a military cemetery, they should be allowed though they might be moved to a more secluded area of the cemetery should it cause problems to visitors and families.
     
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    Many black US soldiers were rightfully offended that those German prisonners, when working in community, had more rights than them in segregationist States.
     
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    This post is rather vague.

    You could be talking about EuroChristian colonialists.

    Personally, I'm inclined to let the dead rest in peace. Maybe that's just the atheist in me talking.

    Tom
     
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    Which states do you think weren't racially segregated? I'm not aware of any.
    My home state of Indiana was still lynching black guys as public spectacle.

    Google "Marion Indiana lynching".
    You can still buy reproduction postcards from the events.
    Tom
     
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    Many German people were surprised how black soldiers were treated by their white peers. My grandma had to accommodate a US delegation and the black soldiers weren't allowed to eat with the whites in the dining room. Got them a place at the kitchen table were the good food was served :)
     
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    We had them in Canada too. Some POWs returned to canada after the war.
     
  14. Revoltingest

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    Some of our Canuckistanian POWs returned there too.
     
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    One was in my home town. That's the only reason I knew.

    CFB Wainwright - Wikipedia

    On of the guys who came back helped me fix my VW in about 1971.
     
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    You're not surprised that we had Canuckistanian POWs?
    I must be gaining some unwarranted credibility here....
    ....or you're ignoring my mischief.
     
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    We all know enough about Revoltistan(capital city, Detroit!) to stop asking.
    Tom
     
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    Great answer for someone who talks out of both sides of his mouth.. We should draw the line but we should still allow them but we should move them to a place where they will not offend anyone. That is about as clear as a glass of mud.
     
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    Welcome to the real world where easy clear solutions don't exist. The world is nothing but mud, learn to live with it.
     
  20. Vinayaka

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    Yes I ignore as I have known for quite some time that there's something in the water in Revoltistan. We had many DDs from the U S of A here. Similar to POWs. Strangers from a far off land, not good for much.
     
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