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Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by actsfourthirty, Jun 17, 2021.

  1. actsfourthirty

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    Please share it’s a two way street

    Pride and self-interest proves fallen human nature, reason is defective: requiring divine revelation and Christian virtues

    It was the church that created western civilization, pagan religion was barbaric.

    Pagan barbarism is a result of fallen human nature corrected by the Christian culivilization, Grace, and virtues.

    how many times have scientific theories been updated and corrected? (Almost always) Most of what’s called science is not even science but a faith based theory system.

    just read the paper or science journal almost always
    Scientists now believe......

    Real science is done in a lab and is repeatable


    The heavens declare the glory of God, why? They are ordered they had be an orderer or Creator, creating and ordering the laws of nature.

    Justice, truth, and morals require the divine

    Religion invented science, most scientist of the 1700’s to the 20th century were religious men, many priests, the oldest observatories or daily recorded weather staitions are located at monasteries, Louie Pasture etc. and the originator of the Big Bang theory was a priest!

    Fake science and evolution as a means of avoiding the eternal moral law, the purpose atheism is to avoid the moral law, eliminate the moral law giver and you eliminate the moral law, evolution is used as a tool to do this, piltdown man and peeking man were missing link frauds perpetrated by Teilhard de Chardin a apostate priest and called science.

    Again science is infallible!

    Scientists now believe.................

    Be precise there is a big difference in terms leading to misunderstandings

    I love to fry fish my family and friends don’t fry your family and friends!
    Punctuation matters

    Hyper-critical people R whey 2 picky!

    But Charity covers a multitude of sins!
     
  2. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    There's plenty of room for discussion and dissent.
     
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  3. ChristineM

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    Actually it was rome that created both Western (and Eastern) civilisation and the Christian church.

    Much of Christianity is based on paganism, no correction required

    Did you not know. Thats what science does, it learns. And i am not quite sure that you understand the meaning of scientific theory.

    Well, the repeatable bit is right, as for lab, the whole universe is a lab.

    You forgot to say that they disregarded religious dogma to drive sciencist forward.

    And here i give up in laughter

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  5. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    Uh. Tell that to the indigenous.
     
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  6. Viker

    Viker Filia Diaboli, in a shroud of metaphor and mystery

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  7. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Only Piltdown of the above was a fraud.

    Science is an attempt to understand the Truth using objective research, thus from a different angle than religion. Science and religion cannot conflict if either is to be valid.
     
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  8. Viker

    Viker Filia Diaboli, in a shroud of metaphor and mystery

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    Millions of dead indigenous peoples beg to differ.
     
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  9. Viker

    Viker Filia Diaboli, in a shroud of metaphor and mystery

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    The reason science is continually updating is that it is not chained to rigid dogmatism. As new data emerges science willingly embraces.
     
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  10. ChristineM

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    Piltdown man was a fraud instigated by a religious man and uncovered as fraudulent by science.


    Peking man is not a fraud
     
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  11. Viker

    Viker Filia Diaboli, in a shroud of metaphor and mystery

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    I can see you are an exceptionalist.

    Guess what? Ends still does not justify means. No matter the cause, creed or the who in the name of.
     
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    You know, you have a lot of opinions on things, but you never really seem to pick one thing and go into detail with it. Like, why do you believe that justice, truth, and morals require the divine? Those are things that are important to me, too, and I don't need the divine to get them.
     
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  13. Viker

    Viker Filia Diaboli, in a shroud of metaphor and mystery

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    Thank you.
     
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  14. NewGuyOnTheBlock

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    Or it proves the primal nature which exists in all human beings; that primal nature being evidence of evolution.

    "Pagan" covers a very wide and disparate religions that cover a wide range of human behavior, some of them being barbaric. The Christian religion is equally guilty of barbarism, of which I can list multiple examples: Sex abuse scandals, Destruction of Aboriginal and Native American cultures, the Salem Witch Hunts, the Crusades, emotional and sexual abuse of Aboriginal children, the Spanish Inquisitions, stripping parental rights of Haitian children through unlawful and manipulative adoption of the same and shipping them to USA, scriptural references dehumanizing and devaluing blacks as lessers during the slavery era, and the list goes on and on. Christianity, it can be said, is truly barbaric.

    Corrected? If you view taking aboriginal children from their families by force, subjecting them to neglect and physical and sexual abuse while under the care of the fine, upstanding Christian slavers -- 'scuse me, Caretakers -- then preach on. Personally, I see no grace or virtue in this, or the dozens of other atrocities committed in the name of the Christian religion.

    Stating the same thing again and again doesn't make it true. Science demands verifiable evidence; its conclusions must be testable, falsifiable, predictable and repeatable -- it is based on empiricism, which is the antithesis of "faith".

    This, coming from someone who is obviously well educated in science and science philosophy? There is nothing to say that the mouth of a volcano or the night sky can be a "lab". Not only must "real" science be repeatable, but it must also be predictable, falsifiable and testable. Please educate yourself on the most basic fundamentals of science; that way, when you attack or criticize it, you actually understand what you are criticizing.

    Agenticity; the human tendency to superimpose purpose, intent and human qualities to that which has no inherent purpose, no intent, no human qualities.

    Why?

    The basic building blocks of the scientific method were actually laid down by the Greeks. Please study the history of science before making claims that are not true, so that you assert fewer untrue claims.

    And that fraud was revealed by scientists.

    This is just silly.

    Scientists don't hold science to be infallible; yet theists, who hold their divine scriptures as infallible, claim that scientists claim that science is infallible, then rebuke science for a claim it never made. Strawmanning AND projecting.
     
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  15. actsfourthirty

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    Its all good to me too but they still holler troll and delete my content
     
  16. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    So long as you keep to the rules of RF then no content should be deleted.

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    Ok, precision, however there are forms of logic which require imprecision specifically because of the limitations of human speech and thought. We can strive for precision but can only be so precise.

    I think that rather than a means of avoiding moral law, science is an extension of the human eye and mind. Catholicism has many layers, by the way. It has facets, somewhat like the trinity has. I think you're being dismissive of the whole picture and substituting a part for the whole. Its like treating a tire or engine as if it were the whole car.

    On the subject of science and fake science, I will plead that science is a discipline. Its a discipline requiring the people name their assumptions, examine their assumptions where possible, not come up with hypothesis unless evidence calls for it, finally testing and trying to disprove hypothesis. It is a lot of work, often unrewarding work; but scientists do it. Not every scientist gets to discover something new. They do a lot of repetitive drudge work, and it is not magical.
     
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    This is called a "Gish gallop". Too many false assertions in a short post than any sane person can debunk in a book. It is considered a disingenuous tactic. (It is also a kind of trolling.)
    I don't know if you knew that and did it intentionally or if you were not aware of it. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and apply Hanlon's Razor.
    So, if your intention is to debate any or all of your statements, it would be better to separate them into multiple OPs.

    Do you understand the fallacy of using the Gish gallop and the importance of discussing things separately?
     
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    Human virtues whether they be secular, pagan or from Buddhism, Judaism, Hinduism or other 'isms.
     
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    charity cannot cover a sin, but charity can arise from a recognition of sin and a desire to shun it
     
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