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Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by YoursTrue, Apr 25, 2021.

  1. YoursTrue

    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    Might as well say we're plants. I don't believe humans descended from an Unknown Ape Ancestor in the spirit of "survival of the fittest," like the little genetic difference evolved that way. There absolutely is no proof of that. Therefore...I believe something else. You can swear up and down that humans are animals descending from other animals, I no longer believe that. And...have a nice day. It was a pretty nice day here with spats of heavy rain. Some streets were flooded.
     
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    But we aren't. We don't have cell walls, for example. We don't have chloroplasts in our cells. So we are not plants. Nor are we fungi. We are animals.

    Except for all of the fossils. And all of the genetics. And all of the comparative anatomy.

    No, you believe something else because you *reject* the evidence. Not because it isn't there.

    Yep, rain happens.

    If you look at all the different things that are alive (plants, animals, fungi, bacteria, etc) and look at their commonalities and their differences and then ask where humans fit in, it is obvious that we are animals. There really isn't another way to interpret the evidence. We are vertebrates (we have a backbone). We are mammals (warm blooded and have placentas).
     
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  3. YoursTrue

    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    Why don't you say? Where does it go? Do you know? Is life from the getgo, in the first thing, like electricity? Gotta come from somewhere to make the lightbulb shine, doesn't it? We're talking about life here though. You think maybe life in an organism and electricity evolved?? :) Where was it? Hanging around? Now you ask an interesting question, so since you seem to know, where does life go when the plant or animal dies? Ok where does the electric go when the lightbulb is turned off? Did it come about by itself, kind of?
     
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    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    No, the fossils prove something was alive. Plant and ape fossils do not prove they evolved one to the other. Then evolutionists have to go to the so-called different branches, right? As if each branch started by chance element and then somehow with continuing life. It's been interesting discussing this.
     
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    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    Yes, rain happens. And so there is a huge difference between animals and humans. And add plant life in the comparison.
     
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    No, you don't understand because you think that evolution must include abiogenesis.
     
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    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    I know some animals interbreed. This does not mean evolution of the phylum kind.
     
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    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    Yes, I do. Without a beginning and knowing the beginning, you can't have evolution because just to say something looks like something else in Darwinian terms doesn't mean all these different kinds emerged or evolved. A beginning is necessary and without life, there is no theoretical evolution. Looks or no looks.
     
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    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    Does soil and human flesh have some things in common, by the way?
     
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    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    Whether it's short or long time, yes, in (the theory) of evolution of the Darwinian kind, they morph. Long and short of it.
     
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    Sure. But you can pick any two things and there is likely to be *something* in common.

    In this case, soil and flesh are both made out of atoms.

    But there is a very wide variety of types of soil, so saying anything more than that would require you to be more precise in your question.
     
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    No individual 'morphs'. Populations change in their characteristics over time. But you don't get sudden changes, and each stage is similar to the ones before and after.
     
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    We know life exists. Evolution describes how living things change over time.

    Abiogenesis investigates how life got started. That is a very different subject.

    Even if life got started by some deity breathing 'life' into the first cells, evolution is *still* how life changed since that time.

    Just like you don't need to know how planets formed to know how to calculate their orbits, you don't need to know how the first life arose to know that since that time species have changed. And that is evolution.
     
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    The way genetics can change and alter the phenotypic expression (what an organism looks like is anything but simple. It is an amazing creative process that has more than enough ability to create all that is around us including humans. It is not simple mechanics nor is it mechanical engineering.

    Now please help me understand why you evade my question on fossils. You deny them as evidence but refuse to explain them. Please help me understand your explanation for fossils and the various life forms they represent or accept that they are clear evidence supporting evolution.
     
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    They do not just morph what ever that is. The truth is that there is no evidence that will convince you because you do not want to accept the evidence and it implications. You wont even give your explanation on the evidence.

    Why does it bother you so much to be related to other apes and other life in general? Do you think that makes you a lesser person? Truthfully when you watch gorillas work as a family so peacefully it is rather inspiring. Compare that to humans that seem to want to kill each other.
     
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    And you once again proved that you don't understand. The Theory of Evolution deals only with established lifeforms, not with the origin of how lifeforms began. It's the same as driving a car. Knowing how to drive a car has nothing to do with knowing how a car was made.

    Perhaps a biblical analogy can help you understand. The teachings of Jesus regarding how one is saved, has nothing to do with Genesis 1, how the world was created.
     
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    Your question makes no sense to me.

    It's like asking "do you believe wood can exist without trees?"
     
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    Spiritual human teachers proved we never owned death.

    By disappearing in bodily human form in a particular cause.

    Reappeared were living after then died.

    Reason. God. Stone. Gas mass that never owned sun metal. As the sun attacked converted earth mass and placed metal into form.

    A human can claim I gained bodily evidence of under skin tissue a radiation effect that unnaturally cooled an influx of radiation penetrating the bio body that cooled.

    Metal that once stone held inside of its own fusion.

    Men in science said their proof that creation God was not human was in the saviour presence.

    Saviour ice reforming end of each year.
    Water as mass.
    God stone spirit returning out of wandering star. Aster oid.

    Lesser radiation allowed bodily de man ifestation.

    As water existed created held to earths ground.

    Nature garden oxygenating.

    Human life knows what it depends upon to be their owned higher form.

    Stated the garden nature was evicted. So was I bodily evicted.

    Common sense.

    That status is not evolution.

    Science converting dusts was stopped.

    Ground evaporation was lessened.

    Nature garden however could not return. The ground state removed.

    If science says human form lived mutated then what change would allow it to disappear?

    Not evolution.

    As water mass exists. So does oxygenation.

    Only radiation lessening would allow for change.
     
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    No. They. Do. Not.
     
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    No, you clearly do not.

    As I and several other posters pointed out just a couple of days ago, all you need for evolution to occur is LIFE. That's it. You don't even need to know how that life arrived or where it came from.
     
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