Morals were stolen by religions, not created by them

[icehorse]

I believe stealing ideas would be if claimed to be owned by those who do not own it. The act of promoting something is never a bad thing by default. I don't see religions do that with morals.

All in all, just being human means having the sense of being moral. It is not that religion exclusively stands for morals.

Hey Smart_Guy,

Been a while, how's it going?

So when you hear a religious person ask an atheist (more or less) "How do you know right from wrong?" - what do you think of that question?

 

[Smart_Guy]

I think that's a fair point and we have to give credit where credit is due.
But I think the larger issue here that Icehorse is trying to get to is where Morality comes from. His question, essentially, is "Where/When/How did morals arise?"

Yes, I guess I did eventually stray from the main topic because of my first post here. My apologies to Icehorse and you.

I think morals are always there since humans have vivid and active minds and feelings. I think it is how they are triggered and managed, and religion is one way to do that.

 

[Quintessence]

I think morals are always there since humans have vivid and active minds and feelings. I think it is how they are triggered and managed, and religion is one way to do that.

That is highly likely, considering non-human animals, particularly social animals such as those we share ancestry with, also have morals.

For a bit of light reading: Wild Justice: The Moral Lives of Animals, Bekoff, Pierce

 

[Smart_Guy]

Hey Smart_Guy,

Been a while, how's it going?

So when you hear a religious person ask an atheist (more or less) "How do you know right from wrong?" - what do you think of that question?

Hello there Icehorse

I'm good, how about yourself?

I honestly don't know what to think of it. I think, depending on the context, it can ether be disrespectful or based on lack of knowledge. Or maybe something else, don't know really. But I personally wouldn't ask it. Right and wrong could heavily depend on how people see it and no one has the right to impose it on others as long as no harm is inflected because of it.

 

[Godobeyer]

Here's an equal opportunity challenge for folks from any religion:

Can you name a moral that originated from a religion?

As far as I know, the morals stated in scripture were stolen from the known philosophies of the time. This is an important question, because one of religion's major claims is that mankind would be adrift if not for supernaturally "gifted" morals. If - in fact - religions' morals were not original, then that claim is groundless...

Hi Icehorse
1-I am not sure about If Islam is only religion in the world encourage to free the slave .

2 - encourage to people to smile to each other .

3 encourage to give money to poor people .

4-Ensure (adoption) of an orphan .

 

[icehorse]

Hi Icehorse
1-I am not sure about If Islam is only religion in the world encourage to free the slave .

2 - encourage to people to smile to each other .

3 encourage to give money to poor people .

4-Ensure (adoption) of an orphan .

Hi Godo,

For the sake of discussion, let's say that your list is part of Islamic teachings. Of course we have to agree that it's a fine list of some good behaviors. The question is this: Didn't good people already know to do these things before Muhammad was born?

 

[Godobeyer]

Hi Godo,

For the sake of discussion, let's say that your list is part of Islamic teachings. Of course we have to agree that it's a fine list of some good behaviors. The question is this: Didn't good people already know to do these things before Muhammad was born?

indeed there was individual action done by non-religious people .

since the community in past ok with issues for exemple "slavery" .could be difficult sometimes to change it to ban !

so who had the right to evaluate an action , to classify it as good or a bad deed ?

as i see ,the religions suppose to encourage humans to be good with each other .

edited + PLus

in Islam ,since Adam most of His messeges order human to be good in moral and HE make roles in instinct.so moral comes with religions

 

[ipinandar1]

Moral consist of yes or no about life.Every religion has his own moral.,but there are also local and universal moral.