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Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by atanu, Jan 12, 2019 at 1:43 AM.

  1. atanu

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    Fanatical fans of every kind are common in India.
     
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    Quotes an my remarks from the linked article:
    1) Some academics at the annual Indian Science Congress dismissed the findings of Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein.
    2) "Hindu mythology and religion-based theories have increasingly become part of the Indian Science Congress agenda".

    Remarks:
    First: One should be somewhat cautious to generalize that everything of Newton and Einstein were wrong.
    Second: I´m having no troubles of mixing ancient Myths of Creation with discoveries of modern cosmology and astrophysics.

    I´ve studied Comparative Mythology for some 35 years and modern Cosmology for some 20 odd years and I easily can find both agreements and contradictions i both areas. I also can find misinterpretations of myths as well as misconceptions in modern cosmology.

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    3) "The head of a southern Indian university cited an old Hindu text as proof that stem cell research was discovered in India thousands of years ago".
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    The ancient Stories of Creation surely did speak of "the causes of life", but I´m not sure as specifically as the modern concept of "stem cell":

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    4) "G Nageshwar Rao, vice chancellor of Andhra University, also said a demon king from the Hindu religious epic, Ramayana, had 24 types of aircraft and a network of landing strips in modern day Sri Lanka".
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    This is IMO without any doubts a mythical misconception and misinterpretation. This myths speaks of "different strong formative powers of/in the creation and has nothing to do with "Ancient Aliens".

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    5) "Another scientist from a university in the southern state of Tamil Nadu told conference attendees that Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein were both wrong and that gravitational waves should be renamed "Narendra Modi Waves".
    Dr KJ Krishnan reportedly said Newton failed to "understand gravitational repulsive forces" and Einstein's theories were "misleading".

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    I agree that both Newton´s and Einstein´s ideas of gravity were both wrong indeed. But what they should be called in the Indian connection, I don´t know.

    Agreed. Newton had no ideas of repulsive forces and when modern cosmologist and astrophysicists mentions an repulsive cosmological motion, they just speak of explosions - often in connection with "gravity" which assumingly can draw everything together so intensively that it results in the opoosite motion of gravity in an explosion. This is of course a contradiction of gravity, which is clearly defined only as a pulling power only.

    Einstein did discard the Newtonian gravity ideas of celestial motions, but his own "curved-space-time" rubber sheet model of celestial motion was/is pure speculations, which has lead the modern cosmology and astrophysics on the brink of scientific self obstructions.

    In the most specific of ancient cultural myths they clearly speaks of an attractive and repulsive motion of creation, most simply described illustrated with the attractive qualities of a woman who receive the male repulsive energy where his sperm fertilizes the egg in the woman. When the foster has grown sufficiently, another repulsive force takes part and the child is born. This is just the principle of formation all over the places and in the entire and eternal Universe

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    6) "Critics said that while ancient texts should be read and enjoyed - it was nonsense to suggest they represented science".

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    This is how far away modern science has come away from a knowledge, which was empirically based directly on the observations of the rhythms of nature and also based on direct intuitive inspirations of everything.

    The concept of Natural Philosophy was historically downgraded and oppressed when the materialism took over and where the most speculative math even invented "singularities" which only can "exist" on a paper and in a calculator. In the ancient myths there was just ONE and eternal Universe and now scientist speculates on multi universes - because they fails to see the simple and natural motions in the creation.

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    Analysis by Soutik Biswas, BBC News, Delhi

    India has a mixed relationship with science.

    On the one hand, it has a rich tradition of outstanding scientists - the Higgs bosonparticle, for example, is named partly after an Indian physicist and Einstein's contemporary, Satyendra Nath Bose. Particle physicist Ashoke Sen, meanwhile, is the recipient of Fundamental Physics Prize, the world's most lucrative academic award".

    But it also has a long tradition of replacing science with myths, leading to a fringe culture of pseudoscience".

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    As long as modern cosmology has lots of unsolved cosmological problems, which scientists try to solve with unseen "dark this and that matter and energy", modern science should stop using the "pseudoscience" comments of something mythical they themselves don´t understand in the first place.

    Both the later historic and scholarly interpretations of ancient myths AND the perception and teachings of modern cosmology have each their equal parts of "pseudo-scientific" contents. Either they both can by judged pseudo-scientific - or they both can be taken as holding cosmological truths.

    The big question and task is really to get them both together for the benefit of a common understanding. In this matter, my coins goes for the benefit of including the ancient cyclical way of thinking into the observations and results of modern astronomical and cosmological science. This would indeed be a huge chance in a much needed shift of paradigm.
     
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    A lot of what you are saying may be valid, but I do not know. Religion, especially Hinduism, is about dharmik way of living with a goal towards moksha, which is effacement of ego and the limitations of time-space. But politics is another matter. I think mixing a spiritual-religious way with politics is dangerous. Similarly, I believe that the domains of science and spirituality are different. So, IMO, imposing ideas of one on another is problematic.
     
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    Not all Modi fans are like that. But BJP and RSS have a large percentage of stupid people. One that started Astrology courses in Universities, and do you know he was a Professor of Physics with a doctorate in Spectroscopy (Dr. Murli Manohar Joshi).

    Hinduism gives us freedom but not for stupidity or untruth. Modern Science has to be accepted and is accepted. Such remarks only create hatred and disrespect for Hindu views among the young people

    But Modi's value lies somewhere else - in his honesty, in his concern for nation's safety, in building a strong economic base for India.
    Any one! Can you be British or Braziliaan without being a football fan, an American without being a baseball or basketball fan? How can one be Indian without being a cricket fan?
     
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    I´m aware of the dharmic practical and social way og living. But there´s other phenomena and knowledge to the whole matter.

    You:
    "I think mixing a spiritual-religious way with politics is dangerous". Yes, if the genuine religions aren´t understood, religion can be and have been a devilish tool in the human story. BUT:

    - You really cannot directly compare ancient religion and mythology with how these areas are working and understood or not today. Religion today is mostly dogmatic and especially the "popular" Jewish, Christian and Muslim religions have lost most of it´s original mythological and cosmological meanings.

    The numerous cultural Stories of Creation of course deals with the very same creations as modern science can observe today. We all live on the same planet Earth; in the same Solar System, in the same Milky Way galaxy and in the same local part of the observable Universe.

    This, of course, hasn´t changed at all since our ancestors time and this was the very cosmological contents in all cultural Stories of Creation.
     
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    As far deep into the gravitational abyss hole is where takes you
     
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    A "gravitational hole" is mathematically described as "a singularity" - which ONLY "exists" in math and nowhere else in the real cosmological world.

    Subsequently and logically, modern theoretical astrophysicist and cosmologists are lost i their own nothingness of singularities.

    With other words: Thinking of the concept of "black holes" takes you nowhere very fast.
     
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