Missouri teacher who displayed Pride Flag resigns after parent complains

[Subduction Zone]

Merely saying you are against SSM is legal. Yes, I'm discriminating. I'm saying only straights have the right to marry. Boo hoo. It's still a legal position to hold and religious institutions are allowed, in the UK, to deny SSM as well, ergo so am I. What should be taught in schools is the basic 'Some folks support SSM and others don't.'

Because that's the reality.

You can be against it. But there is no way that you can "deny" it. And that is your right. But once again, in a school a person does not have the right to demand that their beliefs are to be imposed upon their children. In fact the term "their children" is rather misleading. Children are not property. They are not owned by the parents. The parents have a strong say in how a child is to be brought up, but they are not dictators. Children should be thought of as a loan and not as something that one can use as one wishes.

The fact is that marriage is a right. It is a total non sequitur that some people do not believe in that right. There is no real reason to teach that in schools.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Schools aren't the place for this kind of thing tho, and I don't see lots of discrimination in schools. It's likely this is a US phenomenon. I was at secondary school in the early 2000s and there was little discrimination. Sure there was childish bullying, but that's always going to happen. Honestly you ned thick skin to attend any school; it's just the way kids are. School's job is to educate, not therapy. It's the parents' job to raise their kids right and to socialise them properly.

Might be American. When I left high school just being gay was a huge no, and nowhere felt safe to even whisper you're having issues with your gender.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Christian gay pride flags
Gay Pride/Rainbow Flags - Religious Variants

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The vast majority of Christians world over do not give a flip about LGBT existing and marrying, and being happy in their own skin. It's just a small and dying breed of conservative fundamentalists that get hung up on it.

 

[Rival]

But once again, in a school a person does not have the right to demand that their beliefs are to be imposed upon their children.

Then stop it with the LGBT stuff. That's imposing beliefs on children.

In fact the term "their children" is rather misleading. Children are not property. They are not owned by the parents.

They are. They are under the guardianship of their parents until they are adults. Parents have children, they are their children. They are responsible for them.

The parents have a strong say in how a child is to be brought up, but they are not dictators.

They are though.

Children should be thought of as a loan and not as something that one can use as one wishes.

No, they are children who need to be told how to behave and act. It's the parents job to do what they see fit to do this and raise their children how they think best.

The fact is that marriage is a right.

No it isn't.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Voicing an opinion and belief is not the same as discrimination. All the negative things I believe and say about Christianity, it is all perfectly well within my rights. However, when I had a position of authority at work what would be illegal is treating Christians differently than non-Christians and consistently assigning them crap jobs and cutting them early.

And I have always said that Rival has that right to voice those opinions. Getting them taught in school is a different issue altogether. It is why I brought up slavery. Just as it is illegal to discriminate based upon one's sexual preference it is illegal to own slaves. Can a person advocate for slavery? Sure. They have that right. Can they tell a school that since it is his belief that they have to teach it to his children and other children as well? Not a chance.

 

[F1fan]

I wasn't saying there's no gay Republicans. I'm saying that a teacher putting a Trump or Biden flag up their class would be just as inappropriate as putting up a gay pride flag, or a straight pride flag, as I mentioned before. None of them belong.

trump or Biden are obvious political leaders. A gay pride flag can be interpreted as political, but this tends to be those who oppose gay rights. The flag represents a marginalized and prejudiced group of citizens, and it is their right to fight for equality and oppose discrimination. By interpreting the flag as political tries to undermine what gays think of it. I keep wondering what conservatives fear about being gay, and accepting that many people are gay and they deserve recognition, not being tossed back in the closet.

 

[Rival]

Getting them taught in school is a different issue altogether.

This isn't what I said though.

I said schools should be non-partisan and teach neither view. Children's sexuality should be no business of the school.

 

[F1fan]

Then stop it with the LGBT stuff. That's imposing beliefs on children.

In what way does recognizing that gays exist impose anything on children?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And I have always said that Rival has that right to voice those opinions. Getting them taught in school is a different issue altogether. It is why I brought up slavery. Just as it is illegal to discriminate based upon one's sexual preference it is illegal to own slaves. Can a person advocate for slavery? Sure. They have that right. Can they tell a school that since it is his belief that they have to teach it to his children and other children as well? Not a chance.

She's not trying to force her views on anyone.

 

[Rival]

In what way does recognizing that gays exist impose anything on children?

That's not what the LGBT movement is about though. It's about marriage, rights, etc. That's a political position. The right and religious people do not deny that they exist, otherwise our positions wouldn't even make any sense.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The vast majority of Christians world over do not give a flip about LGBT existing and marrying, and being happy in their own skin.

Yes, I'm sure African, Middle Eastern, Latin American and Asian Christians are totally all cool with Anglo LGBT stuff. Even Eastern Europeans aren't.

 

[F1fan]

That's not what the LGBT movement is about though. It's about marriage, rights, etc. That's a political position. The right and religious people do not deny that they exist, otherwise our positions wouldn't even make any sense.

That is part of it, marginalized citizens fighting for rights. That is a huge pattern in American history, and trying to ignore this one issue because it is uncomfortable to a traditional view of things does not prepare kids for a more progressive and tolerant society.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Then stop it with the LGBT stuff. That's imposing beliefs on children.

No, it isn't. It is imposing the concept of equality. And right now that is the law of the land.

They are. They are under the guardianship of their parents until they are adults. Parents have children, they are their children. They are responsible for them.

And that is not the same as ownership. This should not be that hard to understand. I guess that I have to go to extremes again. Can a parent kill their children? You seem to think that they own them. A person can put a dog down for almost any reason that they see fit. Why not the same with children?

They are though.

Ah so they can kill them according to you. After all a dictator can do that.

No, they are children who need to be told how to behave and act. It's the parents job to do what they see fit to do this and raise their children how they think best.

Parents have that right to tell children how to behave and act. But a school has that job too. It is part of socialization.

No it isn't.

In the US it is . I cannot say if it is a right in Britain or not. I should check. Do you know where rights come from?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Yeah that's a patriotic thing, so I'm not sure what the problem is. Afaik it's also opt-out.

I'm also not an American so it's not my problem.

Given that the OP was about a school in, yaknow, America... but hey, cool handwave/double standard combo.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Schools aren't the place for this kind of thing tho, and I don't see lots of discrimination in schools. It's likely this is a US phenomenon. I was at secondary school in the early 2000s and there was little discrimination. Sure there was childish bullying, but that's always going to happen. Honestly you ned thick skin to attend any school; it's just the way kids are. School's job is to educate, not therapy. It's the parents' job to raise their kids right and to socialise them properly.

translation: "Bullying victims should just suck it up. I survived and was fine, so everyone else should too, and no one should attempt to change anything for the better, because acknowledging there might be problems makes me uncomfortable".

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Flags that puts focus on one group such a gay pride, religion, blm, etc shouldn't be in a class room in my opinion.
None or all

That's like saying we shouldn't talk about MLK and the civil rights groups because they were entirely political movements. Hell there's still people against interracial marriage today, for the same stupid reasons people are against gay marriage. I don't care if their kook religion doesn't want human decency in schools. I don't feel very inclined to stay silent so they can maintain an 'impartial environment.'

 

[Rival]

So it's 3 am I'm sick of being misunderstood here.

1. The LGBT movement is not just the movement of gays. It's a political position. I'm arguing it should not be allowed in schools based on its being a political position that teaches kids. It teaches kids acceptance of things that many people do not accept and is therefore imposing itself on those students.

2. I don't advance that my views should be taught in schools either. I submit that schools should be non-partisan and that students' sexualities are no business of the school.

3. Many gays and others usually associated with the LGBT movement do not support it and have walked away as they do not feel it supports them. The LGBT movement has basically been submerged into 'woke' culture. Many, many people do not agree with or like 'woke' culture, including the people it claims to support.

4. Religious people and non-religious people have a right to say what they think.

 

[Rival]

translation: "Bullying victims should just suck it up. I survived and was fine, so everyone else should too, and no one should attempt to change anything for the better, because acknowledging there might be problems makes me uncomfortable".

A lesbian being called a lemon at school is always going to happen, so yes, get over it and accept that some kids are ********.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

A lesbian being called a lemon at school is always going to happen, so yes, get over it and accept that some kids are ********.

No, you're thinking of people who handwave and enable bullies.

 

[Rival]

No, it isn't. It is imposing the concept of equality. And right now that is the law of the land.



And that is not the same as ownership. This should not be that hard to understand. I guess that I have to go to extremes again. Can a parent kill their children? You seem to think that they own them. A person can put a dog down for almost any reason that they see fit. Why not the same with children?



Ah so they can kill them according to you. After all a dictator can do that.



Parents have that right to tell children how to behave and act. But a school has that job too. It is part of socialization.





In the US it is . I cannot say if it is a right in Britain or not. I should check. Do you know where rights come from?

I'm just saying that kids are under the care of their parents and they belong to their parents. Kids are not capable adults, obviously, and need to be taught properly. This is parents' jobs, not schools.