Misquote in the Gospel

[savagewind]

The teachings of Jesus is the answer.

I agree with you, but the translations might be what Jesus DIDN'T teach. How do you know YOU are teaching what Jesus really and truly taught?

 

[savagewind]

Archeologists proved many ot stories true.

But, I agree that "all scripture is inspired" was referring to the OT. I think that not all NT is inspired of God and beneficial.

 

[omega2xx]

By the time any one else translated all originals were gone--Catholicism translating remained and Hebrew translating which contradicts trinity translations.. all of them are the works of Catholicism translating.--1000 years after the councils were held they finally allowed translating by others. They burned their own members alive if they tried to translate prior to that.

No Bible used by Protestants today was translated by Catholics.

 

[kjw47]

So if I see Jews being escorted to a gas chamber I should do nothing but show love for what is taking place? Or is it better if keep a straight face and go back to reading my paper?

It seems to me that you're saying the Germans showed love to the world by turning a blind eye and doing nothing to stop the Nazi executions.



We're doing some critical thinking here, remember? Let's look at it again:



Is this correct, or is one religion excluded? And if you can brush off the sins of one religion, why can't the Black Muslims brush off the sins of one race?



So you no longer allow Germans into your congregation?



But the Black Muslims assured me that skin color had everything to do with it, and as exhibit A they offered World War 2, exhibit B was World War 1, exhibit C was the American Indian genocide, Exhibit D was Afro-Asian colonization, slavery and so on. Why is blaming it on skin color bigoted but blaming it on Catholics "truth"? Shouldn't it be the other way around, or are both teachings equally bigoted?




Let's go back to our critical thinking exercise and your former comment to KenS about "disagreement without proof = 0":



See how easy that is?

Look, the Black Muslims have just left my house after presenting "Mohammed Speaks". They've assured me the world is a mess because of skin color, and they point to all the wars. Then you just pull up with the latest issue of the Watchtower. You've just assured me it's due to the Catholic religion, and you point to the exact same wars.

Why is your truth any less bigoted from theirs? And what happens when my neighbor reads your literature and concludes you were both half right and it was really white Catholics who messed up everything? Why isn't his new "truth" even more believable than yours?

I'm sure you have plenty of proof that shows being white, European or German had nothing to do with the war, but being Catholic surely did. I'm just waiting for you to present it.

Skin color has 0 to do with it--this does---the REAL teachers that know Jesus tells their flock--do not kill for Hitler especially if it meant standing on both sides of a war of hatred. a true follower would-NEVER stand against a brother in Christ----EVER.
The bible does say--self defense is ok--it does not say--go to another country where those have done 0 to you and kill them.
God expects the wicked to stand on both sides of mortal wars of hatred.

 

[kjw47]

But, I agree that "all scripture is inspired" was referring to the OT. I think that not all NT is inspired of God and beneficial.

The NWT corrected the errors of trinity translation.
They erred in the ot as well--to deceive

Hebrew scholars say--- I am that I am is error-- I will be what I will be is correct--yet trinity teachers use that as proof of Jesus being God, but its 100% error

Same with Elohim--the Hebrew rule = NEVER plural when used for the true living God--yet trinity teachers say it is plural for the true living God.

trinity teaching is filled with misleading error.

 

[savagewind]

The NWT corrected the errors of trinity translation.
They erred in the ot as well--to deceive

Hebrew scholars say--- I am that I am is error-- I will be what I will be is correct--yet trinity teachers use that as proof of Jesus being God, but its 100% error

Same with Elohim--the Hebrew rule = NEVER plural when used for the true living God--yet trinity teachers say it is plural for the true living God.

trinity teaching is filled with misleading error.

It is my opinion that arguing either way, for or against The Trinity is breaking the command, "4 “You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form* like anything that is in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth.

To believe, "God is a trinity" is to form an image in your mind of God and to believe, "God is not a trinity" is to form an image of God in your mind too. Either way, it is a sin, imo. Exodus 20:4

 

[Oeste]

Skin color has 0 to do with it--this does---the REAL teachers that know Jesus tells their flock--do not kill for Hitler especially if it meant standing on both sides of a war of hatred. a true follower would-NEVER stand against a brother in Christ----EVER.

I don't understand. You could just as easily say whites were standing on both sides as you can say Catholics were standing on both sides. Yet you say skin color had nothing to do with Nazism and I'm pretty sure most Nazis would disagree.

Please explain why we should promote Catholic bigotry but ignore racial bigotry since both are sounding equally bigoted to me.

The bible does say--self defense is ok--it does not say--go to another country where those have done 0 to you and kill them.

If I'm not mistaken, that's exactly what the French, Poles, English, and Americans did...protect themselves, and they didn't do so until attacked.

Does the Governing Board have an alternative history?

God expects the wicked to stand on both sides of mortal wars of hatred

So if you have white folks standing on both sides of a war all whites become wicked, or is it only when you have Catholics standing on both sides of a war that all Catholics become wicked?

Can you explain your reasoning a little further than simply saying skin color had 0 to do with Nazism?

Earlier you stated you seriously doubt whether God would forgive the murder of 6 million Jews, which your Organization attributes to "Catholics". Does that mean Jehovah Witnesses exclude Germans or Catholics, or do you have to be a member of both to be excluded?

 

[savagewind]

@kjw47 Please understand the question. A question that you said you would answer for free.

Matthew 25:1-13 is a parable. A parable is a vision which represents something else.

How do you know that Matthew 24:45 isn't also like that? Might it be parable sitting in for something else?

I think it should be hard to trust anyone who puts himself into a parable. Don't you?

 

[savagewind]

@kjw47 You may report me for stalking you, but you did say you would answer my questions.

The Jehovah's Witnesses trust that Matthew 24:45 is a prophecy. They trust that the men of the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses are men who Jesus chose to fulfill Matthew 24:45 and they trust that those men will not mislead them.

How much trust do you have left for Jehovah?

Proverbs 3:5
Psalms 37:5
Proverbs 28:26

Psalm 49:6
Those who are trusting in their wealth [Strong's 2428] +And who boast about their great riches,+

chayil: strength, efficiency, wealth, army
Strong's Hebrew: 2428. חָ֫יִל (chayil) -- strength, efficiency, wealth, army

Original Word: חָ֫יִל
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: chayil
Phonetic Spelling: (khah'-yil)
Short Definition: army

 

[savagewind]

Jehovah's Witnesses trust in their righteousness as a group for the will of Jehovah.

The Bible tends to lead the imagination to believe Psalms 49:6 is about a person's material wealth, but as I have pointed out in post #189 it means strength efficiency, army.....
The JWs are being taught to behave as an army. Ephesians 6:13 They trust they are doing the will of Jehovah as an army would.

But, Psalms 49:6 seems to me to be discouraging that point of view. That is why that is there.

 

[kjw47]

It is my opinion that arguing either way, for or against The Trinity is breaking the command, "4 “You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form* like anything that is in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth.

To believe, "God is a trinity" is to form an image in your mind of God and to believe, "God is not a trinity" is to form an image of God in your mind too. Either way, it is a sin, imo. Exodus 20:4

The command was not about a thought--its about carved images--stone gods, etc.

 

[kjw47]

I don't understand. You could just as easily say whites were standing on both sides as you can say Catholics were standing on both sides. Yet you say skin color had nothing to do with Nazism and I'm pretty sure most Nazis would disagree.

Please explain why we should promote Catholic bigotry but ignore racial bigotry since both are sounding equally bigoted to me.



If I'm not mistaken, that's exactly what the French, Poles, English, and Americans did...protect themselves, and they didn't do so until attacked.

Does the Governing Board have an alternative history?



So if you have white folks standing on both sides of a war all whites become wicked, or is it only when you have Catholics standing on both sides of a war that all Catholics become wicked?

Can you explain your reasoning a little further than simply saying skin color had 0 to do with Nazism?

Earlier you stated you seriously doubt whether God would forgive the murder of 6 million Jews, which your Organization attributes to "Catholics". Does that mean Jehovah Witnesses exclude Germans or Catholics, or do you have to be a member of both to be excluded?

only the mislead stand on either side. skin color--religion makes no difference--no true follower of Jesus would ever stand on either side--God condemned killing. 1John 3:10-12--no slaughtering of one another.

@kjw47 Please understand the question. A question that you said you would answer for free.

Matthew 25:1-13 is a parable. A parable is a vision which represents something else.

How do you know that Matthew 24:45 isn't also like that? Might it be parable sitting in for something else?

I think it should be hard to trust anyone who puts himself into a parable. Don't you?

Matt 24:45 is about the teachers Jesus appoints at his presence--right after the war in heaven--Rev 6 it occurred. 1914-1919.
Satan now lives on earth misleading 99%

 

[kjw47]

@kjw47 You may report me for stalking you, but you did say you would answer my questions.

The Jehovah's Witnesses trust that Matthew 24:45 is a prophecy. They trust that the men of the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses are men who Jesus chose to fulfill Matthew 24:45 and they trust that those men will not mislead them.

How much trust do you have left for Jehovah?

Proverbs 3:5
Psalms 37:5
Proverbs 28:26

Psalm 49:6
Those who are trusting in their wealth [Strong's 2428] +And who boast about their great riches,+

chayil: strength, efficiency, wealth, army
Strong's Hebrew: 2428. חָ֫יִל (chayil) -- strength, efficiency, wealth, army

Original Word: חָ֫יִל
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: chayil
Phonetic Spelling: (khah'-yil)
Short Definition: army

Luke 10:16 explains a followers position concerning the real teachers of Jesus.
Jehovah gets 100% trust--he cannot fail.
I don't feel you are stalking me.

 

[savagewind]

The command was not about a thought--its about carved images--stone gods, etc.

Your sure about that because?

The command was not about a thought--its about carved images--stone gods, etc.

What I read at Exodus 20:4 is, not make for yourself any carved image OR ANY LIKENESS....of anything in heaven. Heaven is a spiritual place. Isn't it?

 

[savagewind]

"kjw47, post: 5087069, member: 17724".



Matt 24:45 is about the teachers Jesus appoints at his presence--right after the war in heaven--Rev 6 it occurred. 1914-1919.

That is what THEY tell you. Do I assume rightly that they do not actually hear from Jesus? If they do not hear from Jesus, then they can not know that Matthew 24:45 is about them. Can you think of any reason why they would want you to believe it is about them?

Satan now lives on earth misleading 99%

You are making that up! LOL

 

[savagewind]

Luke 10:16 explains a followers position concerning the real teachers of Jesus.

Luke 10:16 is about the Apostles. You know that. Right?

Jehovah gets 100% trust--he cannot fail.

I agree that The Holy God can not fail. Is it ok that I do not call God Jehovah and the reason why is because Jehovah is an English word and made up.

I don't feel you are stalking me.

Thank you. I think you are kind.

 

[allfoak]

You are making that up! LOL

Isn't it fun!

 

[savagewind]

Ask yourself Jehovah's Witness if any governing body member has ever professed that he has heard from Jesus.

They say it is a feeling of The Holy Spirit that proves to them that they are, but you know there are people who have claimed to be chosen by The Holy Spirit, but you know they were not.

If they have not actually heard of their appointment, then it never happened imo.

It is alright with me if you go along with their ruse, but dear friends, what do YOU say will happen to people who are following falsely?

 

[savagewind]

Isn't it fun!

Not fun. It is funny!

 

[allfoak]

Not fun. It is funny!

It is fun if your part of the 99%.