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Featured Mind, Body, Duality, Theism, and Atheism

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Fool, Sep 10, 2019 at 10:20 AM.

  1. Fool

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    is the mind, body, duality possibly part of the conflict within the theist's and atheist's belief system?


    for the theist the spirit = mind is eternal and the physical is temporal.

    for the atheist the physical is eternal and the spirit/mind is temporal.
     
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    lol, everything is temporal.
     
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    The Spirit is not same as mind :) And everything is temporarly, You will not remember who you were this life, in the next life
     
  4. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta and Spiritualist and Pantheist
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    Pretty much, 'Yes'.

    Atheists are generally physicalists. Theists are spiritualists. These two things don't necessarily need to be the case but are overwhelmingly the case.

    I put it this way:

    Physicalists (usually atheists): Matter is primary and Consciousness is a derivative of Matter

    Spiritualists (usually theists): Consciousness is primary and matter is a derivative of Consciousness
     
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  5. Fool

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    it isn't just christianity
     
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    ok :)
     
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    continuity isn't temporal. infinity isn't temporal. eternal isn't temporal.


    forms are temporal. things which "form"/"create" contrast in relationship to otherness are temporal because they create lines of delineation, boundaries. things that are created are temporal.
     
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    in the many mystery religions the two are consummated in a conjugal action.


    la petite morte
     
  9. Howard Is

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    They are all conceptual.

    As such, they are momentary.
     
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    the possible is temporal? energy is momentary?


    you're sure you're not confusing E with m(c*c)? couldn't different forms of mass have the same potential energy?
     
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    As an atheist, I see duality as the perception of the conscious mind vs the unconscious mind. The 'Observer' is simply the conscious mind watching the unconscious mind work autonomously of conscious thought.

    The soul is the conscious mind, the spirit is the conscious mind. I believe the conscious mind is a manifestation of the physical brain. While I can't prove there is no spirit realm, this provides an explanation without a need for the supernatural.

    Everything is temporal in the sense that everything is in constant change. even my conscious awareness/mind/spirit/soul is constantly changing from moment to moment. My momentary self is constantly replaced by different self each moment, manifested by my brain. The only real continuity is a memory of that former self.
     
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    I may have confused E with aspirin, but I can’t make any sense of “the possible is temporal ?”

    Nor can I make sense of what you are asking me, or why.

    I am an atheist insofar as I have no belief in a deity.

    That does not automatically mean that I am a cookie cutter materialist.

    FWIW, the mind is the body, and the body is not a discrete entity which is separate from the universe. The mind has local and non-local aspects.

    There is an inconceivable, ungraspable aspect of reality re sentience. It is mysterious and strange.

    That’s it. There is nothing more can be said about it.

    It is beyond the purview of science or religion.

    I have heard nobody say anything sensible or useful about it in 63 years.

    Knock yourselves out.
     
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    The buddha also taught pleasure is by nature not temporary.
     
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    Pleasure is only a human attachments to feelings we can experience , Pleasure arise and fall, so not something that is constant. only tempoarly :) not sure where you got it that buddha said that pleasure is constant. Because his teaching clearly say that pleasure is araising and falling

    Teaching of impermanence
     
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    in my opinion, these two are inseparable.
     
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    energy isn't conceptual based on the 1st law of thermodynamics. its something that exists infinitely, eternally but in some form as it transfers from one state to another.

    i wasn't speaking of any deity
     
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    so then, why are they in popular christianity?
     
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    as i understand, in christianity, mind and body are separate. christians believe that a God created a body, and afterwards gave to the body a mind. i don't agree with that.
     
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