Wow, that's a new one to me.
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Microevolution: YEA! Macroevolution: BOO!
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And the last play by a truly empty player -- try to frighten me. Sorry, not scared.
Do you know what (and I promise you, you don't know what)? If there really were the God you propose, he would know precisely and completely the reasons that I do not believe in him -- and respect me for it.
Try to get your mind around that, if you can.
Lookup up "Malleus Maleficarum." It had the Imprimatur of the Church.Wow, that's a new one to me.
Nah, I'm taking a break from depressing things.
Skwim
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As if Christianity isn't without its bad apples.
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Agreed, but consider this: theirs is not the only "sacred text." There are others -- lots of them, in fact. And that presents the very difficult problem of explaining how "the real god gave me my sacred text" and "everybody else was duped." And of course, that's not just the Christians. From the point of view of any human religion, that question has to be answered.
I haven't seen the answer yet -- have you?
Notice it was the scientists that showed it to be a hoax.
I don't have all the answers. The closest I know from my experiences is that there's Someone "out there" Who loves us and that agape love should be the measure of all things in our doings, our petty differences aside.
I'm sure the religious types will take credit too.
Broken clock syndrome.
Then I hope you won't mind my asking: what "experiences" are you really talking about when you say that there's "someone out there who loves us?" How would your experiences compare to the 2 grandparents and 4 children who died last week in Texas when their car was washed away by hurricane Harvey? How would your experiences compare to mine, whose own parents (so far as he knew at the time) tried to kill him?
I don't get this "from my experiences" bit that believers so often cite.
Twice a day, every day. So much better than my sex life.
We're all going to die someday and in some fashion. Death is a tragedy, but that's the world we have to live with. Our sojourn on this earth is temporary. I have and am still dealing with the tragedy of my mother dying relatively young from cancer. But I believe that life goes in beyond the grave and so does love. The body is just one part of us and there's another part that continues on.
As for your abusive experiences, I'm sorry you went through that. Some humans are just depraved and nasty, in their own brokenness. I come a very abusive (physical and psychological) background, myself. But I can't let that stop me from trying to rise above that and forgive those who wronged me.
But you completely ignored my request to talk about what you call your "experiences that show there's someone out there who loves us." Don't feel sorry for me -- I don't -- just answer the question.
I agree --- Ew. Do you have any idea how old I am? Gravity beat me long ago!
I've noticed that gravity has increased over the last 40 years.
What is it you wish to know about it? I believe what I do through prayer and lots of contemplation.
Ad Hom.
Very convincing.
Only one man, the hoaxer himself, was aware it was a hoax -- and he wasn't a scientist.
You can criticize the shoddy methodology and the credulity of the examiners, but there was no conspiracy, and, once exposed, the artifact was no longer cited in scientific circles.
I don't see the religious correcting the known mistranslations, misattributions, or alterations in their holy writings, much less criticizing them.
If one's eternal life were at stake, I'd expect a little more meticulous analysis of the various claims. If you're facing a lake of fire, it's important to get it right.
-- or are the religious only looking for psychic comfort...
But what is the word of God -- the Guru Granth? The Tao? The Rik?
I'll bet if you'd been raised in Riyadh you'd be pushing the Quran.
Everyone past 40, who possesses bums or breasts, has noticed that.
But it's very persistent...
No research or critical analysis?
Why is it that prayer and contemplation always lead to the religious beliefs of whatever society the contemplater is embedded in?