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Michigan Senate Republicans Report on 2020 Election Issues

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Wandering Monk, Jun 23, 2021.

  1. Wandering Monk

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  2. sun rise

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    ConclusionThe Committee can confidently assert that it has been thorough in examination of numerous allegations of unlawful actions, improper procedures, fraud, vote theft, or any other description which would cause citizens to doubt the integrity of Michigan’s 2020 election results. Our clear finding is that citizens should be confident the results represent the true results of the ballots cast by the people of Michigan. The Committee strongly recommends citizens use a critical eye and ear toward those who have pushed demonstrably false theories for their own personal gain. We also conclude citizens should demand reasonable updates and reforms to close real vulnerabilities and unlawful activities that caused much of the doubt and questionability to flourish and could, if unchecked, be responsible for serious and disastrous fraud or confusion in the future
     
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  4. SomeRandom

    SomeRandom Still learning to be wise
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    Omg, are your Republicans still going on about this?
    This isn’t beating a dead horse anymore. It’s since turned to bones and now crumbled into dust. They’re beating the dust of a dead horse
     
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    I think you need to read this. It debunks the conspiracy theories floating out there about Michigan being stolen from Trump.
     
  6. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    Make a deal. Stop harping on Trump's tax returns and go nowhere 'criminal' investigating in exchange for the never ending voter fraud.

    Just a thought, fantastically unrealistic as it may be.
     
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  7. fantome profane

    fantome profane Keep safe, and keep your neighbours safe.
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    Sounds like extortion.
     
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    I haven’t heard anything about that, whereas the Republicans (or just Trumpers, I don’t think this is all Republicans doing this, right?) throwing a temper tantrum has been clogging up even our news feed. Making anyone remotely conservative feel second hand embarrassment.
    At least the other side is crying about a criminal not being held accountable. Whiny to be sure. But a bit more noble than being a sore loser, wouldn’t you say?
     
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  9. Twilight Hue

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    Well, since tax return disclosure is a tradition and not a requirement, it comes across as being a bit hypocritical that whining is exclusively a Republican issue.

    Voter fraud? Yea agree, Republicans ought to drop the issue and work towards a bipartisan solution in making voting as transparent and fair as humanly possible.
     
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    Whiny sure. But since it’s the Donald I find it hard to disagree with such whiners. But I agree that both sides are full of whingers. It’s just that in this particular instance one looks a bit worse than the other.

    Hopefully.
    One thing I know is for sure. The Republicans have pretty much lost the right to call anyone snowflakes for a while. Like geez, if this fiasco lasted a week or two. Maybe.
    But this long? Sorry, but I’ve never seen more snowflakes in all my life. Granted I live in Oz, so maybe that’s actually not saying that much :shrug:
     
  11. fantome profane

    fantome profane Keep safe, and keep your neighbours safe.
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    It feels like you are hanging on to an issue that is no longer relevant. But let me say that since this person no longer holds any public office and is not currently running for political office, the public has no need to see any of his returns or any other financial records.

    Prosecutors bringing criminal charges on the other hand ,,,
     
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    Thank You for posting this document, which not only supports my statement elsewhere in RF that there were lawsuits that found problems with the election in Michigan, but, moreover, as we can plainly see, the analysis of the 2020 election that you provided results in the following recommendations:
    • Place in statute the rights and duties of challengers and poll watchers, requiring they be uniformly trained and held accountable.
    • Ensuring combined AVCBs can have more than one challenger per party, with the ability to replace challengers who exit the AVCB location after the sequester is lifted.
    • Allow for bipartisan election inspectors for all audits and require the process be open to the public.
    • Prohibit the unsolicited mailing of absentee voter ballot applications from the secretary of state to limit the potential for non-Michigan residents voting in elections.
    • Establish signature verification requirements via the administrative rules process or statute in order to provide clarity and uniformity to election workers on the proper way to ensure signatures match.
    • Require video security on all drop boxes and require all drop boxes be emptied and secured immediately or earlier than 8 p.m. on Election Day to help expedite the processing and tabulation of ballots.
    • In order to ensure more accurate voter rolls, allow county clerks greater authority when removing deceased individuals from the Qualified Voter File.
    • Allow for the continued pre-processing of absentee ballots the day before Election Day, so long as stringent security measures are kept in place. Pre-processing must occur on the site of tabulation.
    • Consider allowing tabulation, which is more secure, to begin in the week preceding Election Day as long as results may not be released until polls are closed on the completion of Election Day.
    • Require that best practices for maintaining a balanced precinct on Election Day be part of the necessary training for all precinct workers. Establish a public, published record of all clerks who fail to provide the appropriate training or continuing education to themselves or their employees.
    • Reform the canvassing processes by requiring canvassers be present during the canvass activities, expanding certain county boards where population requires it, and provide for additional time for the process to be completed.
    I hope that people will stop auto-regarding all legislation for the purpose of election integrity as attempts to steal future elections. And I hope that people will stop seeing scrutiny of elections as necessarily being an accusation of "widespread fraud", when it's clear that fraud doesn't have to be proven in order for states to enact reasonable election reforms.

    I do appreciate that the report also concludes that:
    The Committee can confidently assert that it has been thorough in examination of numerous allegations of unlawful actions, improper procedures, fraud, vote theft, or any other description which would cause citizens to doubt the integrity of Michigan’s 2020 election results. Our clear finding is that citizens should be confident the results represent the true results of the ballots cast by the people of Michigan. The Committee strongly recommends citizens use a critical eye and ear toward those who have pushed demonstrably false theories for their own personal gain. We also conclude citizens should demand reasonable updates and reforms to close real vulnerabilities and unlawful activities that caused much of the doubt and questionability to flourish and could, if unchecked, be responsible for serious and disastrous fraud or confusion in the future.​
    There is something to be said for asserting confidence in the result even if the result is not 100% certain. Usually when I post on this topic, someone will respond to me with a meaningless statement about "widespread fraud". So let me say ahead of time: I've never claimed significant fraud has been proven to have occurred in the 2020 US Election and I still do not make that claim and either way such claims do not change the question of whether or not states should enact election reforms. Thank You.
     
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    The MAGA I know doesn't buy the report.
    He knows that Democrats committed massive
    fraud, & that Trump won. Only time will take
    the wind from their sails.
     
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    Yes, it is fantastically unrealistic because Trump, and therefore his 35,000,000 base, will never let it go.
     
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