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Michael and the Devil

Smoke

Done here.
Jude 9: Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

What were they contending about?

Was it Yahweh who buried Moses in a valley of Moab? Had Michael gone to fetch the body for him? What did the devil want with it?
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Charges found so far:
Robbing Egypt of gold and jewellery, found in tombs in Greece; it says borrowed in scriptures?
Azazel is the name of the fallen angel; it says to sacrifice one for Azazel and one for God?
Ten Commandments appear to work as a dimensional grid also, of what i saw in my NDE, unsure if they were Moses or were everybody’s.....
Much of Genesis are Egyptian names also, and so looks like Moses took his Junior school learning he ran off with and made it his own.....records in hieroglyphics could confirm this, if we were allowed to look....
Find it unbelievable that if Moses was made next pharaoh, that he needed to run off, he would have had full control of Egypt and beyond?
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Charges found so far:
Robbing Egypt of gold and jewellery, found in tombs in Greece; it says borrowed in scriptures?
Azazel is the name of the fallen angel; it says to sacrifice one for Azazel and one for God?
Ten Commandments appear to work as a dimensional grid also, of what i saw in my NDE, unsure if they were Moses or were everybody’s.....
Much of Genesis are Egyptian names also, and so looks like Moses took his Junior school learning he ran off with and made it his own.....records in hieroglyphics could confirm this, if we were allowed to look....
Find it unbelievable that if Moses was made next pharaoh, that he needed to run off, he would have had full control of Egypt and beyond?

The "robbing Egypt of gold and jewelry" is a rather fine example of the then-popular laws concerning debt-slaves. When the debt-slaves were freed, they were allowed to take a percentage of what they had made for their benefactor. It wasn't robbery, it was reparation.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
The "robbing Egypt of gold and jewelry" is a rather fine example of the then-popular laws concerning debt-slaves. When the debt-slaves were freed, they were allowed to take a percentage of what they had made for their benefactor. It wasn't robbery, it was reparation.
Do love your replies....:rolleyes:....ok can we come around your house and 'borrow' your TV, use to help make them?....
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Do love your replies....:rolleyes:....ok can we come around your house and 'borrow' your TV, use to help make them?....

You could if we were living in the ancient Middle East and if you had been a debt-slave of mine...and if your work had directly contributed to my acquisition of the telly.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
You could if we were living in the ancient Middle East and if you had been a debt-slave of mine...and if your work had directly contributed to my acquisition of the telly.
Well at least understand now, why got sent....you could spend all infinity with angels and God with them replies.....we would never get around to making music and playing...:angel2:
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Well at least understand now, why got sent....you could spend all infinity with angels and God with them replies.....we would never get around to making music and playing...:angel2:

Well...unless it was on MTV...
 

Azakel

Liebe ist für alle da
You to are just both so Funny and Insightful. Frubal for both.

p.s. I'll have to come back and give you frubal later sojouner, I have to spread some around first.
 

joeboonda

Well-Known Member
Not sure of the answers to your questions, I may check on it though...but I wanted to post the chapter as it is relevant to people today:

Jude 1


1Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
2Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.
3Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
9Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
10But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
12These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
14And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
16These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
17But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
19These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
20But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
21Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
22And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
24Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
 

may

Well-Known Member
Jude 9: Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

What were they contending about?

Was it Yahweh who buried Moses in a valley of Moab? Had Michael gone to fetch the body for him? What did the devil want with it?
Satan evidently wanted to misuse the body of the faithful man Moses in order to promote false worship.
 

joeboonda

Well-Known Member
From what I looked through it seems there was a Jewish tradition that the Archangel Michael was perhaps in charge of Moses' burial plot and Satan wanted perhaps to have Moses' body for some reason, either because Moses had comitted murder in Egypt or maybe to start a new religion, who knows. But somehow, something happened involving Moses' body, God, Satan and Michael the Archangel wherein Michael did not bring 'railing accusation' against Satan but rather let God rebuke him. This is contrasted to the wicked of today who are quick to speak evil of things they know not of as can be seen when the whole chapter is read.
 

may

Well-Known Member

Moses was 120 years of age at the time of his death. Testifying to his natural strength, the Bible comments: "His eye had not grown dim, and his vital strength had not fled." He was buried by Jehovah in a location never since discovered. (De 34:5-7) Likely, this was to prevent the Israelites from being ensnared into false worship by making a shrine of his grave. Evidently the Devil desired to use Moses’ body for some such purpose, for Jude, the Christian disciple and half brother of Jesus Christ, writes: "When Michael the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: ‘May Jehovah rebuke you.’
(Mi´cha·el) [Who Is Like God?].
Scriptural evidence indicates that the name Michael applied to God’s Son before he left heaven to become Jesus Christ and also after his return.
Michael humbly refrained from bringing a judgment,
 
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