Metal detectors "encroach on Muslim rights" ??

[icehorse]

Israeli's have installed metal detectors at a shrine in Jerusalem important to both Muslims and Jews. Palestinians are perpetrating violent protests, claiming the metal detectors "encroach on Muslim rights".

Wow! This seems like a pretty clear example of a demand for Sharia? One rule of law for the world, a different rule for Muslims? Yikes!

3 Palestinians, 3 Israelis killed in violence over holy site

 

[Shiranui117]

Israeli's have installed metal detectors at a shrine in Jerusalem important to both Muslims and Jews. Palestinians are perpetrating violent protests, claiming the metal detectors "encroach on Muslim rights".

Wow! This seems like a pretty clear example of a demand for Sharia? One rule of law for the world, a different rule for Muslims? Yikes!

3 Palestinians, 3 Israelis killed in violence over holy site

IDK if metal detectors infringe on anyone's rights. Banning any Muslim male under the age of 50 from entering, though, is another matter entirely.

 

[icehorse]

IDK if metal detectors infringe on anyone's rights. Banning any Muslim male under the age of 50 from entering, though, is another matter entirely.

Given the chain of recent events, how would you characterize the matter?

 

[George-ananda]

Yeah, this latest brouhaha has made me more sympathetic to the Israeli side.

 

[Shiranui117]

Given the chain of recent events, how would you characterize the matter?

One big, giant, heaping pile of feces for everybody involved.

 

[Flankerl]

I've been eating popcorn non-stop since they put the metal detectors up.

Next stop: Build a huge metal detector around Jerusalem.
Who knew it'd be this easy.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

IDK if metal detectors infringe on anyone's rights. Banning any Muslim male under the age of 50 from entering, though, is another matter entirely.

Right under the article you linked to about Jews and Muslims killing one another was another about the British baby on life support, whose doctors want to discontinue that life support, resulting in prayer vigils and death threats, presumably from Christians.

"Religion. It's given hope in a world torn apart by religion." - Jon Stewart

 

[BSM1]

IDK if metal detectors infringe on anyone's rights. Banning any Muslim male under the age of 50 from entering, though, is another matter entirely.

Slightly misleading. According to the news story Israeli authorities banned ALL males under 50 from entering the area. So it looks like the Palestinians ruined it for everyone. Simple solution: tear down the mosque in question and move it into the desert.

 

[LuisDantas]

It is certainly hard to see a sound rationale for the Muslim reaction to the metal detectors.

 

[Augustus]

Wow! This seems like a pretty clear example of a demand for Sharia? One rule of law for the world, a different rule for Muslims? Yikes!

Demand for Sharia??? Where do you get that from?

When you have highly emotive issues in regions as troubled as this one, the 'enemy' doing something seen as provocative regarding something of symbolic importance is highly likely to produce a hostile response.

That's human nature, not some 'no metal detectors for Muslims' aspect of the sharia.

[to be clear, this is an explanation not an endorsement]

 

[VioletVortex]

That's funny...now they are just supporting their own stereotypes. I don't think there should be metal detectors in airports and whatnot though. An incident is just as likely to occur in a grocery store.

 

[icehorse]

Demand for Sharia??? Where do you get that from?

When you have highly emotive issues in regions as troubled as this one, the 'enemy' doing something seen as provocative regarding something of symbolic importance is highly likely to produce a hostile response.

That's human nature, not some 'no metal detectors for Muslims' aspect of the sharia.

[to be clear, this is an explanation not an endorsement]

Special laws for Muslims.

 

[sun rise]

This reminded me of how often Christians brawl over the placement of a chair and similar silliness. Such as Christian Monks Square Off at One of Jerusalem’s Holiest Sites

 

[The Holy Bottom Burp]

So depressing to read this stuff. It isn't getting any better. Jordan: Attack at Israeli embassy in Amman - BBC News
Hoorah for religion.

 

[Augustus]

Special laws for Muslims.

That's a very odd way to look at it as Palestinians tend not to recognise the legitimacy of the Israeli government to make any laws regarding access to the al-Aqsa Mosque.

It's not about "special laws for Muslims", it is about the 70 year long conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians. To put it mildly, the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount area is a bone of contention.

Is it really that difficult to understand?

 

[icehorse]

That's a very odd way to look at it as Palestinians tend not to recognise the legitimacy of the Israeli government to make any laws regarding access to the al-Aqsa Mosque.

It's not about "special laws for Muslims", it is about the 70 year long conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians. To put it mildly, the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount area is a bone of contention.

Is it really that difficult to understand?

It's all about context isn't it? In today's context, everyone has to go through these metal detectors, but only the Muslims are claiming discrimination. They want special law for Muslims. You claim that it's a 70 year conflict. Why not claim it's a 3000 year conflict? Or 100 years, or 400 years?

You also seem to be skipping over why these metal detectors are necessary in the first place...

 

[Augustus]

It's all about context isn't it? In today's context, everyone has to go through these metal detectors, but only the Muslims are claiming discrimination. They want special law for Muslims. You claim that it's a 70 year conflict. Why not claim it's a 3000 year conflict? Or 100 years, or 400 years?

So are Muslims protesting against metal detectors in airports too? They must be surely if it is about metal detectors and special laws for Muslims.

It's not about 'discrimination', it's about ownership of sacred sites. Do you not understand why Israeli acts perceived as asserting ownership of, or limiting access to the Haram al-Sharif cause such anger?

For example, a previous intifada started when Ariel Sharon visited the Temple Mount without a metal detector in sight.

Why not claim it's a 3000 year conflict? Or 100 years, or 400 years?

Because the modern state of Israel didn't exist then.

You also seem to be skipping over why these metal detectors are necessary in the first place...

[to be clear, this is an explanation not an endorsement]

 

[LuisDantas]

So are Muslims protesting against metal detectors in airports too? They must be surely if it is about metal detectors and special laws for Muslims.

It's not about 'discrimination', it's about ownership of sacred sites. Do you not understand why Israeli acts perceived as asserting ownership of, or limiting access to the Haram al-Sharif cause such anger?

For example, a previous intifada started when Ariel Sharon visited the Temple Mount without a metal detector in sight.

Because the modern state of Israel didn't exist then.

I take it that presenting the matter as motivated by Muslim pride against Israel is supposed to make it appear more understandable, more reasonable?

 

[Augustus]

I take it that presenting the matter as motivated by Muslim pride against Israel is supposed to make it appear more understandable, more reasonable?

[to be clear, this is an explanation not an endorsement]

Why 'Muslim pride' rather than Palestinian anger though?

When the Palestinian movement was dominated by secular leftists in the 70s would they have been fine with it?

Non-Muslims don't always keep a calm head in territorial disputes either.

 

[icehorse]

Because the modern state of Israel didn't exist then.

You are sure that's the origin of this dispute? I know it's often stated to be, but I'm not convinced.