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Messiah and Judaism
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IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
When the real messiah comes, everyone will except him, but no one will worship him, since the Messiah is not God.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Can you explain what worship means to you?
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
worship is the unique adoration that we reserve for deity alone.
He'll be king and Jews will serve him following laws of serving kings in Judaism. But he won't be worshiped.
WhoIsBeast 750
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it will be called Zion
and will suffer from disease
will not be worshiped
he will not be a prophet
unseal the book there will be his claim
and all lies will disappear from the books of religion
and will suffer from disease
will not be worshiped
he will not be a prophet
unseal the book there will be his claim
and all lies will disappear from the books of religion
Colt
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I don't believe there will ever be a Jewish Messiah as that erroneous concept evolved over the ages within the religion of Judaism.
Jesus was the Son of God who's Jewish followers made the Messiah after he returned to heaven. Jesus didn't actually publicly preach that he was the Jewish Messiah.
WhoIsBeast 750
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as he does not know who he was crucified in a simple symbolism, so he does not know the others who write there if it is not worth studying the font rather they do not express themselves
And the head was cut off humorously as the verses of genesis say it, and it happened thousands of years after it was written so that you could understand it.
and Jesus you have understood only in your mind but not the essence of his message and yet you call yourself wise
and he said God have letters to think about them (didn't he say that?) if this statement is not a liar there
let alone what he said is not written that books will be read recently? if you are not a hypocrite there admit it if you do, however, you will never admit that there is another story sealed and misunderstood and in general Islam is right that Jesus was not on the cross to understand it
However, it is not worth understanding your ears are looking for a teacher to flatter you
rosends
Well-Known Member
No. Jews don't worship the messiah. Next question.
Colt
Well-Known Member
LoL! Much of religion is the shamanistic con man manipulating the audience.
The problem with reading between the lines, in search of hidden mysteries which only the super special medicine man can interpret, is that there isn't anything there.
Flankerl
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Great no one asked.
Brian2
Veteran Member
It was not a part of His everyday message, in fact He seems to want to hide the fact, but He does make it known that He is the Messiah.
Colt
Well-Known Member
Not exactly. Jesus knew that he could not be the expected Messiah......but he also realized that as erroneous as those expectations were, they were in fact based on the ancient expectation of the “deliverer”, the Light coming into the world. He was that light, but he wasn’t going to take up David’s kingly political seat and rule a “material kingdom” because his kingdom is spiritual, present now and he’s been the king so to speak for 2000 years.
If you look at the 3 places that Jesus discussed his identity in relation to the expected “deliverer” you can see how diplomatic he was, even cleverly replying to Pilate “as you say”. Technically, he is king of the Jews.
Jesus met the Jews half way, after all, if there were no expectation of a deliverer then he wouldn’t have had anything to build his ministry on.
Brian2
Veteran Member
He was not the expected Messiah but He was the Messiah still.
Colt
Well-Known Member
Not according to the religion of Judaism. There are specific requirements based on the Hebrew Scriptures which Jesus did not fulfill. The Jewish Messiah hasn’t come yet.
The religion of Jesus parted ways with the Jews as Abrahams descendants lost their way.
Brian2
Veteran Member
Yes the Jews on the whole reject Jesus but that does not mean He is not the Messiah. Jesus did make the New Covenant with Jews.
The rejection of Jesus means that they do not see Him as risen from the dead and still working on their expectations and able to return to complete the job.
They also reject those prophecies which He did fulfil as being Messianic. It seems that to them the prophecies had only a fulfilment in the times of writing them and not a future fulfilment in the Messiah. They reject the idea that David and Israel and others could be used by God as types of the Messiah and the prophecies about them as possibly applying to the Messiah.
What I am saying is that Jesus could be the Messiah even if most Jews rejected Him,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,that rejection does seem to be prophesied in the scriptures after all.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I was just reading Leviticus chapters 3 & 4, and it appears more and more precisely to me that God Almighty exacted total and full devotion to him, from the Israelites. It is amazing when you (I) think about it.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Let's just say -- what will the messiah do, in your opinion? I mean one can say this one is or isn't, but how will you know who is the messiah?
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Which leads to a question. You say he'll be king. So now we know that David was a king. And there was a line of kings in Judah and Israel. So instead of a president or prime minister of Israel, there will be king you say? (No voting in kings, I don't think.) So instead of the type of government now, the messiah will be a king?
Yup. A theocracy led by the king and the Sanhedrin.