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Meontology of Masculinity.

John D. Brey

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You might have misunderstood my point. Most orthodox Jews still treat a mythological revelation/deduction (ritual circumcision) as the ancients treated worship of the sun: as though it were a literal reality/truth, rather than a scientific revelation garbed in a cloak that will be (the garb will be) garb-age in an age when the truth is revealed in understandable scientific reasoning.

Copernicus studied in Bologna under the Platonist Novara; and Copernicus' idea of placing the sun rather than the earth in the centre of the universe was not the result of new observations but of a new interpretation of old and well-known facts in the light of semi-religious Platonic and Neo-Platonic ideas. The crucial idea can be traced back to the sixth book of Plato's Republic, where we can read that the sun plays the same role in the realm of visible things as does the idea of the good in the realm of ideas. Now the idea of the good is the highest in the hierarchy of Platonic ideas. Accordingly the sun, which endows visible things with their visibility, vitality, growth and progress, is the highest in the hierarchy of visible things in nature.

Conjectures and Refutations, p. 187.​

Ergo:

Now if the sun was to be given pride of place, if the sun merited a divine status in the hierarchy of visible things, then it was hardly possible for it to revolve about the earth. The only fitting place for so exalted a star was the centre of the universe. So the earth was bound to revolve about the sun. This Platonic idea, then, forms the historical background of the Copernican revolution. It [the Copernican revolution] does not start with [natural] observations, but with a religious or mythological idea.

Ibid.​

Cutting and bleeding the male organ is a religious idea. But it has a scientific meaning that's quite literally capable of commanding a much more earthshattering revelation of truth than was the truth of heliocentrism. Man came to understand that the sun is the center of the solar system at a time when that truth was able to be proven and accepted . . . could no longer be denied. The truth garbed in the mythological symbol of cutting the male organ has finally arrived at a time when what it means ---scientifically ---is important to the future of humanity. Will you deny it its time in the sun? :D

In the same sense that the earth isn't the center of the solar system (though for a long time that falsehood reigned) neither is the male, or the male organ, what she, or it, is believed to be even in this late stage in the game. You think the Copernican Revolution changed mankind's thinking in an important way?




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It Aint Necessarily So

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In the same sense that the earth isn't the center of the solar system (though for a long time that falsehood reigned) neither is the male, or the male organ, what she, or it, is believed to be even in this late stage in the game. You think the Copernican Revolution changed mankind's thinking in an important way?




John


Nice song. The chorus chords (00:45) were reminiscent of Baba O'Reilly and Sweet Jane

I can't comment on the rest. I don't know what your point is, although I like the word meontology.
 

dybmh

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@John D. Brey ,

The truth garbed in the mythological symbol of cutting the male organ has finally arrived at a time when what it means ---scientifically ---is important to the future of humanity. Will you deny it its time in the sun?

Well... you have my attention. Looking forward to reading your theory on this.
 

John D. Brey

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In the same sense that the earth isn't the center of the solar system (though for a long time that falsehood reigned) neither is the male, or the male organ, what she, or it, is believed to be even in this late stage in the game. You think the Copernican Revolution changed mankind's thinking in an important way? [You aint seen nothin yet.]

Without going into the concept of sun worship as the outer garb hiding the scientific truth of heliocentrism, the idea here is that the mythology of taking a knife (on the eighth day) and removing a symbolic slice of flesh that garbs, or covers up, an informative place on the human body, is orders of magnitude more important (the scientific truth covered up until the removal of that flesh is) than the truth of heliocentrism that was once covered up by the worship of the sun. The latter is the religious mythology and ritual (sun worship) through which, as elaborated by Karl Popper, eventually came the realization or uncovering of the truth of heliocentrism.

Brit milah, ritual, mythological, circumcision, not only relates to sun worship as a mythology hiding a scientific truth, but it could easily be considered the most important veil-removal (scientific-uncovering leading to discovery) in all of anthropology, religious history, and Judeo/Christian exegesis. Brit milah is, if not the only truly ancient mythology still alive in modern Western culture, the most central, and important, so far as the evolution of scientific man is concerned, by reason of its seminal place in Christian thought (Philippians 3:3) and Jewish thought (BT Nedarim 32a).

We of all people, should be amazed and awed that of all the generations that have come before us, it is we who get to do, to brit milah, what Copernicus did to sun worship.




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John D. Brey

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We of all people, should be amazed and awed that of all the generations that have come before us, it is we who get to do, to brit milah, what Copernicus did to sun worship.

Even as the preeminence of the sun in ancient religious thought eventually led to the scientific reality of the sun's centrality in the solar system, so too, the centrality of the phallus, in ritual circumcision (brit milah) reveals the importance of taking a knife and bleeding the phallus in an inversion of the revelatory evolution of heliocentrism. Brit milah (ritual circumcision) inverts the revelation of heliocentrism in that whereas worship of the sun helped uncover the true centrality of the sun in the solar system, ritual circumcision (by pointing a knife at the phallus) threatens to undo the postlapsarian centrality of the phallus (phallocentrism), and thus the male (androcentrism), in the lapsed history of humanity after the mythological fall. Whereas sun worship pointed a scientific scalpel at geocentrism, brit milah takes the scalpel to the hoary lie of masculine superiority, originality, and continued dominance, in the affairs of mankind.



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John D. Brey

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I can't comment on the rest. I don't know what your point is, although I like the word meontology.

As "a-theism" means against, or without, theism, "me-ontology" means outside of ontology. It admits to, at least conceptually, or philosophically, the idea that something, or some things, are, have some sort of being, though they don't show up in the ontology, or reality, circumscribed by human observation.

In Jewish monotheism God is the ultimate meontological entity: he IS, though he has no genuine presence in the material world; his being-ness is outside ontology.

This examination will claim that "maleness" and "Jewish-ness" are meontological entities, such that mixing either of them with the material world, and worse, with flesh and blood, and gaining power, authority, or superiority, based on the incarnation of what is otherwise meontological (real outside of ontology) is the source of great confusion, disorder, and incorrect thinking.



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John D. Brey

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This examination will claim that "maleness" and "Jewish-ness" are meontological entities, such that mixing either of them with the material world, and worse, with flesh and blood, and gaining power, authority, or superiority, based on the incarnation of what is otherwise meontological (real outside of ontology) is the source of great confusion, disorder, and incorrect thinking.

The thread, The Primordial Phallus (later edited into an essay), discusses the fact that the original living organisms were all female such that the evolutionary arrival of the "male" marks not the unveiling of a new ontology ---male--- but merely the arrival of an evolutionary form of the female which (the female) is the ontological original, and origin, of all living bodies. The scientific factuality of this truism is pointed out using the image below:

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Science is fully aware that the the default human form is female. If the steroid testosterone causes the default form to mutate there's a stage in the development of the "male" organ that science labels the "primordial phallus." The primordial phallus is a mid-stage between a vagina and an male organ. At this stage of fetal development the phallus actually possesses both the accoutrements of the female organ (the vagina) and the male organ (the phallus).

Today's male is merely a transformation of the original female form. In this sense, a "male" is merely a new kind of female. You can call this new kind of female a "male" if you like, of course, but even your semantics are erroneous in that you should first have a female, then a male, and then perhaps a Duke's mixing of the ontology of the female, and the ontology of the male. . . Where's the ontology of the male? It's missing. And it's the missing link in evolution, in Darwinism, Neo-Darwinism, modern Judaism, and modern Christianity. If the female is the original organism, and it is, and if there’s no male, and there wasn't, then every evolutionary leap on the taxonomic tree is at best a new genus of the female tree . . ..

The Primordial Phallus.
The quotation above is attempting to point out that modern thought tends to think of male and female as binary oppositions (two poles in a binary relationship) though science is clear that biologically speaking one of the poles is just an evolutionary mutation of the other pole. To have a true mixture, or a true binary relationship, you need to have two pre-existing ontologically sound entities.


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John D. Brey

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To have a true mixture, or a true binary relationship, you need to have two pre-existing ontologically sound entities.

Needing to have two ontologically sound entities in order to have a true binary relationship is the point in speaking of the "meontology of masculinity" since it can be shown that factually speaking, scientifically speaking, all material bodies, biological or otherwise, are female, so that what's considered "male" --- so far as material bodies are concerned ---- is in truth merely a evolutionary tweak of what's female; it's really just a fe-male: it's technically, scientifically, still female.

The arrival of a real, ontological male, who’s as old, original, seminal, as the first living organisms, which were female through and through, is the first genuine speciation-event in all the history of life. Until you get that original male, you can't mix male and female. Which is why mixing the original female, and the manufactured male (Genesis 2:21-22) is considered the most profane event in the history of life: it's the "original sin," because it’s a lie of biblical proportions; a lie covered up by the foreskin of the phallus, which is supposed to be removed, to view the ugly truth, in the most seminal ritual and symbol of Judeo/Christian thought: brit milah.

Ibid.​



John
 

John D. Brey

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The arrival of a real, ontological male, who’s as old, original, seminal, as the first living organisms, which were female through and through, is the first genuine speciation-event in all the history of life. Until you get that original male, you can't mix male and female. Which is why mixing the original female, and the manufactured male (Genesis 2:21-22) is considered the most profane event in the history of life: it's the "original sin," because it’s a lie of biblical proportions; a lie covered up by the foreskin of the phallus, which is supposed to be removed, to view the ugly truth, in the most seminal ritual and symbol of Judeo/Christian thought: brit milah.

Ibid.​

What's being called the "ugly truth" uncovered through ritual circumcision, is secondarily the most wonderful scientific revelation that will ever be ---in that it's the revelation of the original male who, if we see through the fore skene of ritual circumcision, is the first actual mixing of a meontological entity (genuine masculinity), and ontological female-ness (anything and everything material), that has ever been in the history of the world, it's the revelation of the true circumcision (Philippians 3:3), the revelation of the true human, the second ha-adam, the first genuinely material male flesh. In a sense, it's the first mixing of what Plato called the world of true form(s) with the material world we inhabit. It's the first instance of this mixing, and as such, the meontological source for the birth of the ontological (material and visible) world.



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John D. Brey

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What's being called the "ugly truth" uncovered through ritual circumcision, is secondarily the most wonderful scientific revelation that will ever be ---in that it's the revelation of the original male who, if we see through the fore skene of ritual circumcision, is the first actual mixing of a meontological entity, and ontological female-ness, that has ever been in the history of the world, it's the revelation of the true circumcision (Philippians 3:3), the revelation of the true human, the second ha-adam, the first genuinely material male flesh. In a sense, it's the first mixing of what Plato called the world of true form(s) with the material world we inhabit. It's the first instance of this mixing, and as such, the meontological source for the birth of the ontological world.

This statement is the glory of all those through the millennia who've glorified brit milah, ritual circumcision, since by claiming that the meontological original, origin, of the secondary (secondary so far as meontology is concerned) female (i.e., everything in the material world) is hidden inside the fore skene of what it originated, i.e., the material, maternal, mothering, matriarchal world, brit milah uses the fakery, the facade, of material masculinity (the uncircumcised phallus) gallivanting as original, material, male, flesh (the Masoretic miss-implication that ha-adam had that flesh originally) in order to imply that the female-male flesh (the uncircumcised phallus) hides, in itself, the true interrelationship between meontological masculinity and ontological femininity (and thus which is genuinely first and which is second) and that by removing the outside flesh that covers up the primordial vagina (revealing the facade of original male flesh, since the primordial vagina comes before the uncircumcised, the foreskined, phallus) brit milah justifies its well-earned place as the greatest sign and symbol mankind has ever or will ever possess.



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John D. Brey

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This statement is the glory of all those through the millennia who've glorified brit milah, ritual circumcision, since by claiming that the meontological original, origin, of the secondary (secondary so far as meontology is concerned) female (i.e., everything in the material world) is hidden inside the fore skene of what it originated, i.e., the material, maternal, mothering, matriarchal world, brit milah uses the fakery, the facade, of material masculinity (the uncircumcised phallus) gallivanting as original, material, male, flesh (the Masoretic miss-implication that ha-adam had that flesh originally) in order to imply that the female-male flesh (the uncircumcised phallus) hides, in itself, the true interrelationship between meontological masculinity and ontological femininity (and thus which is genuinely first and which is second) and that by removing the outside flesh that covers up the primordial vagina (revealing the facade of original male flesh, since the primordial vagina comes before the uncircumcised, the foreskined, phallus) brit milah justifies its well-earned place as the greatest sign and symbol mankind has ever or will ever possess.

Unpacked a bit, the foregoing (so to say) implies that true scientific orthodoxy, born of the material, ontological world, should and would teach the originality of the female (and science does concede the original living organisms were all female) such that the arrival and existence of the so-called "male" should be positively ithyphallic to scientific thought (stand up or out so far as orthodoxy is concerned) except for the fact that the great scientists were all, themselves, originally at least, male.

These great male scientists, agnostics of the metaphysics in play here, realized that their male minds were the very ones uncovering the truth of the preeminence of females in the material world such that that paradox, why aren't females then uncovering the great scientific truths, created the paradox brit milah solves.

Since it's been primarily male minds who've erected the modern world, it makes no sense that females came before males, implying that males owe any ability they have to the females of which they're merely addendum.

The Masoretic text, which undergirds modern Western thought, produces a false solution to the problem by interpreting the Hebrew of the Torah text to imply that the first human was, materially, phallically, male. Only brit milah, ritual circumcision, protects the truth of the matter, i.e., that the phallus was created in Genesis 2:21, by closing up סגר the labial flesh of the original vagina, so that by ritually opening up the fore skene caused by the closing of those veils brit milah offers up the mechanism to interpret the Torah text correctly for the first time.

The opening of circumcision, in the final analysis, is transformed in the Zohar into a symbol for the task of exegesis. . . The uncovering of the phallus is conceptually and structurally parallel to the disclosure of the text.

Professor Elliot R. Wolfson, The Circle in the Square, p, 30.


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John D. Brey

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Needing to have two ontologically sound entities in order to have a true binary relationship is the point in speaking of the "meontology of masculinity" since it can be shown that factually speaking, scientifically speaking, all material bodies, biological or otherwise, are female, so that what's considered "male" --- so far as material bodies are concerned ---- is in truth merely a evolutionary tweak of what's female; it's really just a fe-male: it's technically, scientifically, still female.

The arrival of a real, ontological male, who’s as old, original, seminal, as the first living organisms, which were female through and through, is the first genuine speciation-event in all the history of life. Until you get that original male, you can't mix male and female. Which is why mixing the original female, and the manufactured male (Genesis 2:21-22) is considered the most profane event in the history of life: it's the "original sin," because it’s a lie of biblical proportions; a lie covered up by the foreskin of the phallus, which is supposed to be removed, to view the ugly truth, in the most seminal ritual and symbol of Judeo/Christian thought: brit milah.

Ibid.​

Since, as noted throughout the thread, the original living organisms were all female, the female is therefore the ontological origin, source, and material manifestation of life, life is originally female. For the male to be something other than a fe-male (an adaptation of the female body) the male must have an ontology as sound as the ontology of the female. And since the female is, ontologically speaking, the material form, and source, of life, the male must, if he's to be a binary opposition to the ontology of the female, be the form and source of death (life's ontological/binary opposite).

The acceptance of the Phallus is immoral. It has always been thought of as hateful; it has been the image of Satan, and Dante made it the central pillar of hell.

Otto Weininger, Sex and Character.​

Throughout ancient mythology, the male-organ has not only signified the arrival of death (its creation in Genesis 2:21 directly presages the arrival of death in the garden of immortal life), but more than that, modern science now notes that its arrival literally preseeded (sic) the arrival of death to the formerly immortal female organisms:

With only a handful of exceptions, single-celled organisms reproducing exclusively by simple fission lack one feature that ultimately brings death to all single-cells that have sex, and all multicellular organisms, including human beings: senescence, the gradual, programmed aging of cells and organisms they make up, independently of events in the environment. Accidental cell death was around from the very first appearance of anything we would call life. Death of the organism through senescence ---programmed death----- makes its appearance in evolution at about the same time that sexual reproduction appears.

Professor William R. Clark, Sex & The Origins of Death, p. 54.​

Professors Dorian Sagan and Lynn Margulis are even more to the point:

Death, the literal dis-integration of the husk of the body, was the grim price exacted by meiotic sexuality. Complex development in protoctists and their animal and plant descendants led to the evolution of death as a kind of sexually transmitted disease.

Lynn Margulis, Symbiotic Planet, p. 90.​

Death, is, to the phallus, the male organ, as life is to the vagina and the female organ. The New Testament concept of original sin is scientific to the core: life, immortal life, life without death inside it, comes through the vagina. Death, comes, literally, and is transferred through, the male-organ, the phallus, so that the binary relationship between life and death, the true opposition between the female and the male, is the duality between life and death.

Life is female. Death is male. Such that when a male arrives through the female organ without receiving the death sentence (Genesis 2:21), i.e., with no phallic father, he represents, at a minimum, the return of immortality to living things. All we need as the sign of the arrival of this stupendous firstborn of immortal humanity is to know that the veil of immortality, the veil sealing the sanctity of the temple of the female body (sealing the female organ), is intact at his birth, as it is in all other cases outside his own just prior to conception but never at birth: he must open the female body at birth, since his father ---brit milah ---didn't open it at his conception (Exodus 13:2).



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dybmh

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so that by ritually opening up the fore skene caused by the closing of those veils brit milah offers up the mechanism to interpret the Torah text correctly for the first time.

The opening of circumcision, in the final analysis, is transformed in the Zohar into a symbol for the task of exegesis. . . The uncovering of the phallus is conceptually and structurally parallel to the disclosure of the text.

Professor Elliot R. Wolfson, The Circle in the Square, p, 30.
Looking beyond this specific interpretation of Gen 2, are there other Torah concepts/narratives which are better interpretted through the lens of the brit milah as you have presented it?
 

John D. Brey

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Looking beyond this specific interpretation of Gen 2, are there other Torah concepts/narratives which are better interpretted through the lens of the brit milah as you have presented it?

The opening of circumcision, in the final analysis, is transformed in the Zohar into a symbol for the task of exegesis. . . The uncovering of the phallus is conceptually and structurally parallel to the disclosure of the text.

Professor Elliot R. Wolfson, The Circle in the Square, p, 30.​

Not sure I understand your question completely. But the concept here is that exegesis and interpretation of scripture requires looking beneath the veil that's the general narrative designed specifically to veil the deeper, secretive, meaning of the text.

Circumcision is the removal of a veil hiding a great scientific truth. And that great scientific truth is hidden in the scroll of the Tanakh, beneath the veil (the general narrative), such that circumcision treats the male body like the uncircumcised scroll by removing the veil that hides a truth beneath.

If we combine the anthropological logic of ritual circumcision with its target, the scroll of the Tanakh, we can uncover the great scientific truth that even Plato fell short of uncovering.

Woe to the sinners who look upon the Torah as simply tales pertaining to things of the world, seeing thus only the outer garment. But the righteous whose gaze penetrates to the very Torah, happy are they. Just as wine must be in a jar to keep, so the Torah must be contained in an outer garment. That garment is made up of tales and stories; but we, we are bound to penetrate beyond.

The Zohar.

This logic makes Genesis chapter two the true mythology of origin hidden beneath Genesis chapter one (which is the outer garment of Genesis chapter two). Understood this way, Genesis chapter two is the most seminal, and important, mythology in existence. It hides in its mythological narrative the great truth for which mankind was created, fell, and is being redeemed. There's no pagan mythology, no modern scientific understanding, that contains the great truth hidden in Genesis chapter two (with verse 21 being the heart and soul of the mythology). When that mythological truth is transformed into hard science, ala the transformation of sun worship into heliocentrism, it will form the mezuzah into the new Jerusalem and thus the Kingdom of God on earth.



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dybmh

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Thanks John,

You're bringing a lot of detail and nuance; It's very likely that much of what you're saying is going over my head. Hopefully I've been able to comprehend the main points and the conclusions, but if not, please pardon my ignorance and misunderstanding.

That said:

Not sure I understand your question completely.
If I understand, the idea is female came first, then male, which communicates, in your view, female divinity and supremacy and also male subservience and impurity? This is the lesson you take from ritual circumcision. The male-ness is removed and discarded to reveal the feminine.

My question is: are there any other Torah concepts/narratives which, in your view, are better understood through the lens of: Female divinity, supremacy / Male impurity, subservience? I can think of maybe a few examples, but they're not very good. Maybe you have some in mind or can think of some?

the concept here is that exegesis and interpretation of scripture requires looking beneath the veil that's the general narrative designed specifically to veil the deeper, secretive, meaning of the text.

Circumcision is the removal of a veil hiding a great scientific truth. And that great scientific truth is hidden in the scroll of the Tanakh, beneath the veil (the general narrative), such that circumcision treats the male body like the uncircumcised scroll by removing the veil that hides a truth beneath.
Yes, definitely look deeper. I can agree with that. But looking beneath the veil, is not at all the same as brit milah. As you stated above, compare: "looking beneath the veil" with "removal of a veil". I propose that the veil in Torah is not impure. Every letter contained in it is supposed to be God's holy name. There's a zohar on that, BTW.
Circumcision is the removal of a veil hiding a great scientific truth. And that great scientific truth is hidden in the scroll of the Tanakh, beneath the veil (the general narrative), such that circumcision treats the male body like the uncircumcised scroll by removing the veil that hides a truth beneath.

If we combine the anthropological logic of ritual circumcision with its target, the scroll of the Tanakh, we can uncover the great scientific truth that even Plato fell short of uncovering.
So far, unless I missed it, you have brought one hidden scientific truth, revealed in analysis to brit milah. Just one. I'm asking if there's more. In your opinion, of course.

For example: is the great truth Plato missed that female came first, or is there another scientific truth you're referencing?
This logic makes Genesis chapter two the true mythology of origin hidden beneath Genesis chapter one (which is the outer garment of Genesis chapter two). Understood this way, Genesis chapter two is the most seminal, and important, mythology in existence. It hides in its mythological narrative the great truth for which mankind was created, fell, and is being redeemed. There's no pagan mythology, no modern scientific understanding, that contains the great truth hidden in Genesis chapter two (with verse 21 being the heart and soul of the mythology).
If you're right, I'm just wondering if there's other places in Torah where the mythology in Gen 2 is applicable.

Thank you again,
 

John D. Brey

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Thanks John,

You're bringing a lot of detail and nuance; It's very likely that much of what you're saying is going over my head. Hopefully I've been able to comprehend the main points and the conclusions, but if not, please pardon my ignorance and misunderstanding.

It's not really ignorance or misunderstanding at all. We all use our current epistemological wiring to evaluate and interpret new information. So stuff way outside what we've encountered in the past is difficult to make sense of.

I remember the first time I read Elliott R. Wolfson's, Language, Eros, Being. I thought it either had to be thoughtless mumbo jumbo, or, maybe, just maybe, I wasn't interpreting it correctly. I now consider it a masterpiece of theological information having read it and referred to it too many times to count.



John
 

John D. Brey

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If I understand, the idea is female came first, then male, which communicates, in your view, female divinity and supremacy and also male subservience and impurity? This is the lesson you take from ritual circumcision. The male-ness is removed and discarded to reveal the feminine.

The idea is that in the material (temporal) world, everything is technically female (or same-gendered before the male comes, so to say). All the initial life-forms were what we would define as female up until a particular stage in evolution when organisms began experimenting with sex and gender. I've quoted Phd. biologists noting that programmed-death (cellular senescence) began, as the Bible implies, when organisms began experimenting with gender and sexual reproduction.

If, for millions of years, all biological life-forms were initially what we would describe as female, then when the male evolved he would be little more than an anomalous, or newfangled, female (the male would just be an evolutionary mutation, or re-adaptation, of the female body).

And we see that in the womb, the ovum begins as a female and only begins to transform into a male if testosterone causes the default form to transform into the phallic version of the default female.

. . . is the great truth Plato missed that female came first, or is there another scientific truth you're referencing?

The "great" truth is firstly that human thought and reasoning is based in all cases on binary oppositions. Our language works the way it does because humans possess a true binary opposition between natural brain function (like animals possess) versus a new kind of thought that's never existed in the world until the arrival of modern man. I've quoted Daniel Dennett saying:

Human freedom is not an illusion; it is an objective phenomenon, distinct from all other biological conditions and found in only one species, us. The differences between autonomous human agents and the other assemblages of nature are visible not just from an anthropocentric perspective but also from the most objective standpoints (the plural is important) achievable. . . Human freedom is younger than the species. Its most important features are only several thousand years old--- an eyeblink in evolutionary history---but in that short time it has transformed the planet in ways that are as salient as such great biological transitions as the creation of an oxygen-rich atmosphere and the creation of multicellular life.

Freedom Evolves, Daniel Dennett, p. 305.​

What Dennett is calling "freedom," and all the stupendous advantages that come with it, is based on the fact that the human, unlike any other creature we know of, possesses a true, binary, relationship between normal, biological, logical, reasonable, logical, brain function (like all mammals possess), versus some other kind of thought that no one can put a finger on so far as describing it within the natural, biological, logical, reasonable, brain functioning. It's this true binary relationship between biological thought versus what I'm defining with the word "meontological" (outside of natural, or biological, ontology) that makes the argument potentially great.

Understanding this duality between natural, ontological, normality, versus the human kind of thought that appears to come through meontological reasoning (reasoning that appears to come out of nowhere), lead Plato to posit his "world of perfect forms" as a meontological entity the existence of which creates the duality that allows humans to do the amazing thought acts that they do.

What I'm pointing out that really is potentially great, is that if we merely accept scientific fact, i.e., that there's no ontology for "maleness" (the fleshly male, or the male-organ is merely transformed female flesh, newfangled fe-male), then true male-ness is a meontological entity (and not a natural, biological, or logical opposite of female-ness, femaleness being the true state of all natural ontological entities).

This doesn't imply female divinity, but rather, male-ness, in its lack of natural, physical, ontological, natural-ness, is divine in its meontological reality.

Where the greatness of the foregoing comes in is when we accept the legitimacy of Jewish monotheism. In Jewish monotheism, God is the sole source of meontology, his being ---is--- outside ontology, and as such cannot become, or be accepted, as flesh, material, etc., without becoming idolatrous. When we thus think of "male-ness" as meontological, then any fleshly male, or male-organ, becomes idolatrous (i.e., by incarnating a meontological entity ---male-ness --- that cannot incarnate without being an idol). Furthermore, in Jewish monotheism, even to look at a meontological entity, God, causes death.

With only a handful of exceptions, single-celled organisms reproducing exclusively by simple fission lack one feature that ultimately brings death to all single-cells that have sex, and all multicellular organisms, including human beings: senescence, the gradual, programmed aging of cells and organisms they make up, independently of events in the environment. Accidental cell death was around from the very first appearance of anything we would call life. Death of the organism through senescence ---programmed death----- makes its appearance in evolution at about the same time that sexual reproduction appears.

Professor William R. Clark, Sex & The Origins of Death, p. 54.

Death, the literal dis-integration of the husk of the body, was the grim price exacted by meiotic sexuality. Complex development in protoctists and their animal and plant descendants led to the evolution of death as a kind of sexually transmitted disease.

Lynn Margulis, Symbiotic Planet, p. 90.​

So, as stated earlier in the thread:

Death, is, to the phallus, the male organ, as [natural, biological] life is to the vagina and the female organ. The New Testament concept of original sin is scientific to the core: life, immortal life, life without death inside it, comes through the vagina. Death, comes, literally, and is transferred through, the male-organ, the phallus, so that the binary relationship between life and death, the true opposition between the female and the male, is the duality between life and death.

Life is female. Death is male. Such that when a male arrives through the female organ without receiving the death sentence (Genesis 2:21), i.e., with no phallic father, he represents, at a minimum, the return of immortality to living things. All we need as the sign of the arrival of this stupendous firstborn of immortal humanity is to know that the veil of immortality, the veil sealing the sanctity of the temple of the female body (specifically the female organ), is intact at his birth, as it is in all other cases outside his own just prior to conception but never at birth: he must open the female body at birth, since his father ---brit milah ---didn't open it at his conception (Exodus 13:2).​

All of this leads to the question of why, if masculinity is divine, does it cause physical, carnal, death, if incarnated (Jewish monotheism 101). This question is huge since it sits there right between Jewish monotheistic aniconism (rejection of images or emblems of meontological divinity, i.e., the phalus) and the Christian belief that, at least once, a meontological entity incarnated, a "male" was born, who transcended and transgressed the otherwise fatal distinction between ontology (female-ness) and meontology (male-ness).



John
 
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